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May 14, 2006 at 21:39 #2084
Hoh Mike runs in the 6.00pm at Windsor. Trained by Michael Bell and ridden by Jamie Spencer, everything looks peachy, but shaped as if he wanted more than 5f on his debut, and I don’t think he’s good enough to completely outclass all his rivals. No Worries Yet put in a very bold performance at Windsor 2 weeks ago when getting within half a length of Espartano, a horse with a bright future according to his trainer. Jamie Spencer also said he was a potential Royal Ascot horse when he won on him FTO. 8/1 is huge for him.
Home Affairs and Alcyon should easily win the 7pm and 8pm races respectively.
O Gee also looks very interesting in the 7.30pm. With Stoute on top form, and Fallon booked, he looks a dead cert, but Deutschland once held a Derby entry with Jarvis, and has been loving the step-ups in trip.
Bremen also looks decent opposition to Visindar tomorrow. If the latter is a short price, he may be worth taking on. Bremen has big race experience, a wonderful pedigree and unlucky not to have a Group 2 under the belt.
May 15, 2006 at 02:59 #65512I think Brads House looks like Value in the 5.50 at Towcester. He Will relish the good ground and Towcester is def not my favourite course for running a horse but He shud get the trip ok as he has run up to 1m 6 on the flat. The Ex Hales horse now with Henderson looks nothing special and may need further to win a race. Also good to see Jonjo with 1 in it as it makes Brads price a lot more reasonable and Jonjo’s horse came from Ron O’ Leary and his best run came in his 2nd last start where he was beat 32 lengths in a half decent novice hurdle. Brad shud handle him and there may be a bit of improvement in O’ Sheas horse.
May 15, 2006 at 08:33 #65513Just a small bet on my old friend Take A Bow in the listed race at Winsdar.<br>Should strip fitter for his reappearance at Sandown and can reverse the form with Babadona.
May 15, 2006 at 11:56 #65514I wasn’t going to have a bet today, mainly because of the uncertain going causing a heap of horses to be withdrawn. Yet, I tend to agree with jackane that No Worries Yet(6.00, Windsor) has been underestimated by the market. Clear top-rated with me with the form well up to the standard of this race and worth a small interest at anything above 5/1.
May 15, 2006 at 12:02 #655156:00 Windsor – 5f Novice Stakes
Ground -> Good To Firm
21 Karayek 9-2<br>77 Cesc 8-12<br>2  Hoh Mike 8-12<br>   Road To Recovery 8-12<br>4  Scented Present 8-12<br>12 No Worries Yet 8-9   <br>   Capannina 8-7<br>   Ella Y Rosa 8-7(3)<br>   Sagassa 8-7
Topspeed Figures
No Worries Yet 82<br>Scented Present 73<br>Hoh Mike 75<br>Karayel 64<br>Cesc 59
Top Speed Top Rated – No Worries Yet
Here are my raw ratings from each race
Karayel 59 76  adjusted rating 76<br>Cesc 52 61  ar 65<br>Hoh Mike 83  ar [87]<br>Scented Present 73  ar 77<br>No Worries Yet 63 77  ar 84
Of those that have run I rated Hoh Mike’s the best performance and there should be some improvement. There should also be some improvement from No Worries Yet who should be able to run Hoh Mike veryclose considering the topspeed figures.
These are the component / adjusted rating for the newcomers.
Road To Recovery 24-18-11-7-3-3 = 66  [70]<br>Capannina 26-20-17-8-5-5 = 81  [90]<br>Ella Y Rosa 21-12-16-7-1-3 = 60  [69]<br>Sagassa 15-9-12-5-1-2 = 44  [53]
Normally I wouldn’t expect a newcomer to figure in what looks a good race but there are several reasons to hope that Capannina can run a good race. The filly is very nicely bred by Grand Lodge out of Mauri Moon who both were high class and showed good form over 6-9f. The trainer is respected and can get them ready first time, while breeding also suggests it will like the forecast Good/Firm ground at Windsor. The only worry is it might want this as a learning experience and might not be tough enough but the price reflects that.
        Ground  Jockey  Distance  Ability<br>Karayel    Yes     ?       Yes    Yes<br>Cesc      Yes     ?       Yes     ?<br>Hoh Mike   ?     YesYes   Yes    YesYes<br>Road To Rec. Yes    No      ?      ?<br>Scented Pre. ?    YesYes    Yes    Yes<br>No Worries.  ?      ?       Yes    Yes<br>Capannina  YesYes  Yes      ?     Yes<br>Ella Y Rosa   Yes    Yes     Yes     ?<br>Sagassa    Yes     ?      No     No
Hoh Mike clearly has lots going for him but is now trading at 1.99 on Betfair. He is just about the form pick and he ran very well without finding much on debut. He will definetely be thereabouts but I can’t go for it at odds on. Capannina is another that may need today for the experience but I think the trainer will have prepared this one for today and 13.0 on Betfair is good enough for me to go for. No Worries Yet may also trouble Hoh Mike if Capannina doesn’t run up to expectations.
1pt Capannina 12/1 (Betfair)<br>1pt No Worries Yet 10.5/1 (Betfair)<br>2pts lay Karayel for a place 5/6 (Betfair)
(Edited by FlatSeasonLover at 2:48 pm on May 15, 2006)
May 15, 2006 at 12:43 #65516If I was in the horse racing section I’d post my reasons why I’d go fir this one but as i’m not…
2:20 Redcar
1pt High Style @11.5/1 (Betfair)
May 15, 2006 at 15:58 #65517I just don’t understand this stupid new system. Somebody explain to me this please, if we have to create a new thread and put the link into it, then what is the point of putting the link into it?
There will still be a brand new thread, but there would just be a link in it rather than posts. It’s pathetic, and I’m going to start my Laying threads in the main room again from this evening.
I also like Capannina in the 6.00 at Windsor, just looking today. And I am adamant that Hoh Mike wants at least 6f.
May 15, 2006 at 17:06 #65518We were both wrong Jack. I knew it was strong on the form book but I still maintain there was no value at 4/5.
May 15, 2006 at 17:16 #65519Looks like the first two are pretty decent sorts considering how far they pulled clear.
Agree with Grey Desire about Take A Bow. Very reliable, goes well at the track on the going and shouldn’t be 3/1. Home Affairs one poor run last year was on faster going at Salisbury.
May 15, 2006 at 18:13 #65520Quote: from jackane24 on 10:39 pm on May 14, 2006
Home Affairs and Alcyon should easily win the 7pm and 8pm races respectively.
Well done on the 7pm one but surely Fondness is the value in the 8pm race? Alycon is 3.4 on Betfair but Fondness is 9.0 on Betfair and I felt Fondness shaped as well as Alycon did anyway with the 5lb allowance Fodness gets giving her the edge. As you’ll realise from earlier I’m a bit dodgy about going for favourites in maidens anyway.
1pt Fondness 8/1
May 15, 2006 at 20:05 #65521Money was down on Morrisons and he did just hold on but he may end up quite decent. I wud leave Roger Charltons horses alone for a while as his stable is def not firin and Fondness price b4 the race reflected this. I bet Brads House today at 4.2 and laid off at 2.8 because i thought he was value at 4.2 but was too tempting to take my profit at 2.8 because that was too short.
May 15, 2006 at 20:52 #65522I watched Hoh Mike on ATR, and the exact thing I was worried about happened. Got into a duel with another horse before the stamina kicked in.
Popped down to Windsor for the 7pm, 7.30pm and 8pm. I think your congrats FSL on Home Affairs is a bit generous! He did win at 4/6! But thanks anyway – would have been 6/5 or so had Babodana not been taken out.
I had Ogee in the 7.30pm, before Alcyon disappointed me big time in the 8pm. I actually had a shout for Morrison’s winner by a couple of guys there. They spoke to someone earlier who put them onto him, and pointed out that he still held a Derby entry. I looked at the form, saw Purple Moon won it, then remembered he lost at HQ last week, albeit in much better class.
But Frankie’s booking got me in the end, plus the form with Leningrad. I’ve always been a bit sceptical with horses having run well on AW and then coming onto turf.
How was your luck today FSL? What happened to Fondness btw?
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