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Midday – unlucky or beaten fair and square?

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  • #16683
    Avatar photocormack15
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    Fair and square for me.

    #326440
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    Unlucky for me! Hampered on the bend and a short straight didn"t help! God help

    Workforce

    tomorrow,he"ll hate the course!

    #326441
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    I posted this in the other thread

    Her trainer can refuse to train her on the course! And she was beaten by a 3rd-tier American horse. :lol: :lol: :lol: 46-1 Motion’s Filmmaker finished behind Ouija Board several times in this race, he gets his revenge!

    So yeah, beaten fair and square. You need at least a jog over American turf. Turf is firm but not "jarring" or dangerous.

    And I never ever underestimate a Graham Motion-trained horse on turf. He trained Better Talk Now.

    #326442
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    I’m not a big fan of the turf track over there I’m afraid. Bends look pretty tight, traffic looks an issue. Pony racetrack. :shock:

    #326443
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    4 out Toms playing with his goggles,he knows he had them all covered,she became unbalanced after the bump on the bend and the winner had just too much speed down the straight,another furlong and Midday would have outstayed them all,it was always catch up down the short straight and she fails by a neck! Unlucky imo! :x

    #326444
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    I’m not a big fan of the turf track over there I’m afraid. Bends look pretty tight, traffic looks an issue. Pony racetrack. :shock:

    Hahaha, Churchill is a decent-sized track, and it’s hosted more Breeders Cups than any other. With plenty of European winners. A nice turf course, not as nice as Laurel or Atlantic City, but close. I can only imagine what you’d think of Timonium. That’s FOUR furlongs. Or my local track Charles Town, 6 1/2 furlongs and they race under lights too. I’ve seen races up to 1 1/2 miles there-that’s 4 turns.

    Again, the track isn’t an issue if you’ve got jocks who know how to ride a race here and trainers willing to let their horses touch it before they run.

    #326447
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    I think we’re possibly spoiled for turf tracks over here Miss W. If Churchill Downs were mine I’d swap the turf and dirt around. (I’d maybe even run the K.Derby on the turf too!!!!!!)

    #326448
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    Tom Queally’s flaws exposed again.

    He got Midday beat now, to add to Jacquelines Quest in the guineas this season.

    Hes a good jockey but hes not a top class jockey and he was exposed again.

    Loosing a guineas and BC in one season, not good enough.

    #326449
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    I think we’re possibly spoiled for turf tracks over here Miss W. If Churchill Downs were mine I’d swap the turf and dirt around. (I’d maybe even run the K.Derby on the turf too!!!!!!)

    Well you don’t run on them as often, so they don’t get so cut up. Atlantic City and Kentucky Downs only run a week, so they can keep them better. The really great Englandy turf courses are in the Northeast, specifically the Mid-Atlantic where the weather is more Englandy. That’s also why you won’t find any steeplechases east of Tennessee, and they "migrate" north to New York in the August heat.

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    My view is that is was combination of varying things that cost Midday victory.

    1) Unlucky in running
    2) Getting bumped
    3) Queally’s lack of drive and strength in a finish

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    4) That pitiful, glorified rabbit run excuse for a turf race track didn’t exactly help matters. :roll:

    Some poor European jockey ( and horse ) is going to find himself careering through that hedgerow or sitting on top of it at some point. I wouldn’t run an arthritic donkey on that track. :|

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    #326452
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    It also looks pretty cold there. Virginia and West Virginia are getting snow this weekend, Louisville managed to dodge that. A far cry from Santa Anita.

    #326453
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    My view is that is was combination of varying things that cost Midday victory.

    1) Unlucky in running
    2) Getting bumped
    3) Queally’s lack of drive and strength in a finish

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    3) That pitiful, glorified rabbit run excuse for a turf race track didn’t exactly help matters. :roll:

    Some poor European jockey ( and horse ) is going to find himself, a) careering through that hedgerow or sitting on top of it at some point. I wouldn’t run an arthritic donkey on that track. :|

    That "pitiful" course has given Europeans plenty of wins in the BC over the years. Midday was only beat a neck, for heavens’ sake. Santa Anita’s course isn’t much bigger, and it is even firmer!

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    Midday can be quite lazy in her running style, Queally got her trapped/bumper on several occasions and hadnt room to run when she needed too, the gaps appeared too late as the damage was done.

    Queally got her beat, simple

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    Cecil said: " She’ s run a great race, but I thought the track was just sharp enough for her and that she would have been happier over a mile and a half .

    " It ‘ s been quite a long year for her and I wonder whether she quite had the zip coming into November, because the winner was holding her at the end .

    " She’ d had three tough races and may not be quite at her best. She could have done with a bit more time , in as much as another half a furlong ."

    #326470
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    There should be an international rule that you can’t run a G1 on a 7f bullring. It’s a complete crapshoot with the tight turns and hard ground. You can’t have a true run race on those things. Like watching Dog racing.

    Woodbine and Belmont are the only places the BC should be held at.

    #326473
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    There should be an international rule that you can’t run a G1 on a 7f bullring. It’s a complete crapshoot with the tight turns and hard ground. You can’t have a true run race on those things. Like watching Dog racing.

    :lol: Is there anything people in those parts don’t whinge about when the result doesn’t go their way?

    The track is now the problem – it’s too tight. I forgot how expansive Chester is.

    I’ve got a better rule; there should be an International rule that you can’t run G1 races on courses with hills/gradients. All G1 in Britain will be run where… is Ffos Las flat?

    And the Hard ground. Of course, it was firmer at Santa Anita, Santa Anita has a shorter straight, which would be a problem if European runners hadn’t dominated for the past 2 years, but they did.

    And if you can’t have a truly run race, (nonsense, of course) where is there criticism for all European horses on the Turf who never led?

    Midday was slightly unlucky. I think part of Queally’s problems came at the start for positional reasons. If anyone is seriously going to comment about Queally’s lack of strength in a finish, (I can’t believe that one) Midday lost the narrow margin at the start.

    #326474
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    Well, we still love her, win or lose. I’ve just created a TRF ‘Horse Page’ for her.

    http://www.theracingforum.co.uk/horses/midday

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