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FIST, you asked tell me three graded races McCoy was on a decent animal & came nowhere
Well near enough all his rides at the last few Cheltenham festivals is a good start….any punter who follows him at Cheltenham must go broke….He actually broke my heart two years ago because i backed him not to ride a winner & he did manage 1 winner from 20 odd rides & all supposed to have a good chance…..
Really? my heart bleeds for you.
With your limited knowledge can I suggest you try knitting
Your post contains nothing just a big empty void……..exactly which horses are you talking about.
Maybe Ainama sp 14/1 who hasn’t raised a gallop since?
Can’t be Witchita Lineman he won (Best ride of the year)
I wish he would have won on Binocular but he rode to instructions which turned out to cost him the race. IMO
or maybe you think he should have won on Carol’s Legacy Nicky Hendersons second string who was beat a distance?
Could it be you think Karabak should have beaten Mikael D’Haguenet?
or maybe you think he should have put Gone to Lucnh on his back and carried him round?
or and this is a cracker..if he hadn’t parted company with Briareus he would have beaten Master Minded
Then of course he rode Franchoek and what a prolific winner he has turned out to be
(back him net time out he will
win)
His next mount Miss Serene was again Nicky’s 2nd string
Then we had the daddy of them all he rode Wullie Mullins’s 5th string Quinola Des Obeaux who should have beat Dunquib. Argghhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Do I have to go on? don’t think so do you?
I don’t think that Tony McCoy has suddenly become a bad jockey; he most definitely has not – but I do, as I did when I learned of him being handed the Denman ride, think his particular style of riding is unsuited to that horse.
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How many more threads have we got to start about the same topic?
Himself,
Forget the horse’s name for one moment and sentiment of Thomas being jocked off.Which jockey would you think was more suited by a bold jumping front runner? I’ve heard Murphy, Lee, Geraghty, Thomas amongst others been mentioned as a more suitable partner. The former duo are best known as hold up horsemen. Geraghty is good but not as consistent as AP. Thomas is reasonable but not yet a top jockey.
Also,
If Ruby is unavailable, which jockey is the best judge of pace (especially from the front)?And,
Say a horse shows signs of planting himself at the start. If Ruby is unavailable, which jockey would you think is most likely to get him to start?Value Is EverythingGingertipster, Sam Thomas is the obvious choice for Denman, but in answer to your question, Richard Johnson would certainly see Denman home alright – whether from the front or from slightly off the pace.
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Which jockey would you think was more suited by a bold jumping front runner? I’ve heard Murphy, Lee, Geraghty, Thomas amongst others been mentioned as a more suitable partner. The former duo are best known as hold up horsemen. Geraghty is good but not as consistent as AP. Thomas is reasonable but not yet a top jockey.
Also,
If Ruby is unavailable, which jockey is the best judge of pace (especially from the front)?And,
Say a horse shows signs of planting himself at the start. If Ruby is unavailable, which jockey would you think is most likely to get him to start?Ginge,
Denman is no longer the ‘bold jumping front runner’ of old. Paul Nicholls mentioned on ATR this morning that you will never see Denman blitz a field like he did two years ago – he prefers for the action to unfold around him these days.
The tactics employed on Denman this year will not be too different from last.
I’d say, under any tactics, Ruby Walsh is the man I’d choose to partner any horse in a big race, with Barry Geraghty as my second choice.
Who is the only jockey, currently riding, to win a Champion Hurdle, Champion Chase, World (stayers) Hurdle, Gold Cup and Grand National?
McCoy will not be a burden come Cheltenham, it’s just a matter of opinion that I would choose someone else ahead of him for Denman.
"So, in your opinion, he should have just pulled the horse up?"
Didnt say pull him up but certainly if he asked him for a big jump or motioned that idea to the horse it was incredible "Panic" by McCoy. We can forgive one mistake but the second was horrendus…the horse could have got his rhythm back if he went easy pop and ran on at the death and we would say that was very good blow out. But in the end it just looked a complete mess.
O.K. Bos, if not a "bold jumping front runner", then a bold jumping front runner / prominent runner. Which makes little difference. To describe Denman as anything else is not telling the truth. Does anyone think Denman will be settled in rear, or even be held up in mid-division?
Think Nicholls is playing mind games if he said Denman is going to be held up. If you look at Denman at the start these days, whichever jockey is on board he’s always pushed along to get a prominent position. If not in front then with an unhindered view of the front. It is my opinion that if Denman is ever totally surrounded by horses; he may well down tools. Now, if you were Paul Nicholls, you’d hardly tell your rivals that would you? In fact you’d do your best to make them believe the opposite.
Value Is EverythingFWIW – I think AP is still one of the greatest sportsman I have seen in my lifetime.
I think he is peerless at his best.
For whatever reason, Denman did not seem to be travelling with his usual zest – no fualt of the jockey. I’d be inclined to risk 7/2 on him in the Gold Cup…and if there is plenty of rain then surely his price will shrink.
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McCoy F****d up yesterday and if he were to put his hands up like Ruby,then there would be no more said about the matter! The guy is still as good a jockey as i have ever seen,probably the strongest in a finish ever!He made several cardinal sins yesterday,ones that you would expect from someone who has just had the stabilisers taken off his bike!I have never seen McCoy overwhelmed by the occassion,but yesterday was comical,he completely lost control of the horse! I could imagine the first thing he said to Paul Nicholls after he"s wiped the mud from his A**e- "I thought you said he was fit"? Pauls sheepish response would be "Tony we thought he was fit enough to beat this lot! Sorry mate" AP retorts- "Sorry!!you have just made me look a right Tw*t you pillock, the horse couldn"t raise a gallop" "Well i promise not to blame you Tony in the papers tomorrow,like i always blamed Sam when it went wrong mate! "Ok Paul,but just make sure he aint 70% fit for the Gold Cup,i cant be seen coming a cropper like that again,I am the Champion Jockey after all! And everybody lived happily ever after!
Which jockey would you think was more suited by a bold jumping front runner? I’ve heard Murphy, Lee, Geraghty, Thomas amongst others been mentioned as a more suitable partner. The former duo are best known as hold up horsemen. Geraghty is good but not as consistent as AP. Thomas is reasonable but not yet a top jockey.
Also,
If Ruby is unavailable, which jockey is the best judge of pace (especially from the front)?And,
Say a horse shows signs of planting himself at the start. If Ruby is unavailable, which jockey would you think is most likely to get him to start?Ginge,
Denman is no longer the ‘bold jumping front runner’ of old. Paul Nicholls mentioned on ATR this morning that you will never see Denman blitz a field like he did two years ago – he prefers for the action to unfold around him these days.
The tactics employed on Denman this year will not be too different from last.
I’d say, under any tactics, Ruby Walsh is the man I’d choose to partner any horse in a big race, with Barry Geraghty as my second choice.
Who is the only jockey, currently riding, to win a Champion Hurdle, Champion Chase, World (stayers) Hurdle, Gold Cup and Grand National?
McCoy will not be a burden come Cheltenham, it’s just a matter of opinion that I would choose someone else ahead of him for Denman.
Sorry mate i seem to be picking on your posts to reply to.
If they use the same tactics this time as last year he will most certainly get beat as Kauto is a speedier horse. Denman needs to be used properly coz he wont beat anything for speed……IF 100% fit he will win if ridden correctly (i.e when he won it in 08).
Denman is no longer the ‘bold jumping front runner’ of old. Paul Nicholls mentioned on ATR this morning that you will never see Denman blitz a field like he did two years ago – he prefers for the action to unfold around him these days.
The tactics employed on Denman this year will not be too different from last.
Sorry mate i seem to be picking on your posts to reply to.
If they use the same tactics this time as last year he will most certainly get beat as Kauto is a speedier horse. Denman needs to be used properly coz he wont beat anything for speed……IF 100% fit he will win if ridden correctly (i.e when he won it in 08).
No problem, mate.
"Denman prefers the action to unfold around him these days. You will not see him blitz a field."
This is roughly what Paul Nicholls told ATR this morning. I don’t think you will see Denman blitz the field with a circuit to go like he did two years ago judging by those comments.
Ginge,
Denman won’t be held up. I think he’ll be ridden close to the pace without forcing it. We all know how Denman needs to be ridden and Paul Nicholls can’t convince his rivals otherwise.
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I read through these threads an all those knocking AP are the same: Full of emptiness!
Sam Thomas is better suited to Denman than McCoy….anyone can type that. My question is why?
Got people saying he should have ridden more winners at Cheltenham but no named horses again just empty statements with no foundation.
I’ve watched the Hennessy half a dozen times and the Aon and Ruby and AP are like twins riding Denman. Both giving him a little help into his fences and both have him jumping well.
Denman looked to be tiring but even if he wasn’t the big stupid bollox of a horse ran right into the bottom of the fence and never took off..when that happens it happens and therer’s nothing any jockey can do about it…..it’s split second thing and humanly impossible to correct.
Francome knows more about these thing than most and he did say AP could have given Denman more time to collect his thoughts after the blunder. I agree he could have but he had already lost too much ground and the only way to get back into the race was to chase him up…….unfortunately AP gathere his thoughts quicker than Denman did his and he fell.
Fist, i think you are McCoy or his agent & this is your user name on here….
The long & short of it the occasion got to you & you messed up.
Your not a BIG race rider anymore & your living on past reputation.END OF
Fist, i think you are McCoy or his agent & this is your user name on here….
The long & short of it the occasion got to you & you messed up.
Your not a BIG race rider anymore & your living on past reputation.END OF
Nah cant agree with that. As soon as Denman made that mistake i knew the furore bout McCoy would start. PN isnt bulletproof and i’ll go along with that Denman wasnt fully fit (PN said that himself saying he was behind what he was Hennessey day). If he is 100% on Gold Cup day and im sure he will be even allowing for the trainer……then you will most certainly see a different horse and rider that will take it to Kauto.
You put AP in Walshs boots as stable jock to Nicholls and Mullins and you’ll see more winners than they get now.
The worrying thing for those of a Denman disposition is that AP McCoy has threatened to ride the 2008 Gold Cup hero ( and slayer of Kauto Star
) exactly the same way. I may have to revise my Cheltenham Gold Cup wager.
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I won’t be on him this year for the first time in four festivals.
No bet for me in this years Gold Cup if AP’s on Denman, I’ll be happy to see him safely home with or without his jockeyI’m just relieved the horse is OK after Saturday’s debacle and that after nicking a tidy (risk free) sum on Diamond Harry that I didn’t get greedy and try to nick some more on Denman
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It doesn’t take long to work out who all the usual jokers will be on a thread like this. Only seen one brief and partial mention of Ruby describing himself as a 7lb claimer for his effort on Master Minded. A.P was then supposed to have made a similar self assessment for the problems with Denman.
One incident was clearly and without dispute the fault of the rider. Ruby could do no more than raise his hand in self disgust. The other incident was clearly a case of an animal out of sorts. A.P is a genius not a magician. He doesn’t have to be blamed by anyone for the Denman reesult. But he will be by those who clearly suffer from tall poppy syndrome around here.
I still see no list of horses to have improved subsequent to McCoy partnering them. The detractors aren’t really trying very hard. But then again they know they’re on a hiding to nothing when it comes to facts over feeble emotions. The result of the biggest race in the country on the weekend must have really pissed a few of you off. Fancy McCoy bouncing back so quickly! Has the egg dried on your faces yet ladies?
At least one here has the common sense to admit McCoy has been partnering second stringers and field fillers at Cheltenham over the last couple of years. It’s simply the truth. Get over it doom and gloomsters!
) exactly the same way. 
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