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  • #1629478
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    After last performance jockey trying in vain to get the horse into the race.
    He fallen out of love with the game? Had the one glimpse of hope back in 2021 with win.
    Ran well in the Grand National last season but other then that. Seems to have lost all interest :scratch:

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    #1629480
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    Even in the Grand National last year it’s been recorded he lost by 264 lengths which suggests the winning jockey was showered and ready for the next race before he finished.
    Quite why they didn’t pull him up, though there are all sorts of bets for completing I suppose.

    Looking back, the horse had a great 2019, then was beat just 1.5 lengths by Al Boum Photo into third in the Gold Cup.

    Then ever since, a good win in Grade 2 just over a year ago and that’s about it.

    Since the end of 2019 it’s been recorded he has had 3 lots of wind surgery, so it seems that area has been his demise on that front.

    Edit: That was the winning jockey’s last race if I remember, so he was in the bar!

    #1629481
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    Yes I agree, Maybe he be better suited to a new career, whether hunting or showing

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    #1629485
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    I believe it all went wrong after his victory in the 2019 Betfair Chase.

    His next run was in the King George, where he was pulled up. Maybe the race was too soon for him?

    After that he has been mostly disappointing. His placed effort in the Gold Cup was in a slowly run race and possibly not the strongest renewal.

    His win at Ascot was at the expense of Master Tommytucker, Dashel Drasher and old rival Defi Du Seuil. I am not sure that race took much to win.

    I know we all like horses to run as often as possible. The Tizzards have often campaigned their stars boldly, like Cue Card and Native River. Perhaps they wanted to do the same with Lostintranslation but he was not up to it?

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    You can never be sure why a horse loses form completely. Lostintranslation was a horse I liked an awful lot and followed him from his hurdling debut. I suspect the beginning of the end for him was the Betfair Chase he won in 2019. Despite a convincing victory, I thought he had a very hard race (as most Betfair Chase winners do). He went fav for the Gold Cup after that race, but Colin Tizzard (by no means alone in this habit) thought the King George would be a good idea, rather than giving the horse a long rest before Cheltenham. He ran very poorly at Kempton (where he started fav) and was pulled up 3 out. He ran well to be 3rd then in the Gold Cup to end his season, but the horse has never been the same since.

    It might be worth trying him only in small fields, if possible. Five of his 6 wins have been in such fields: 5 rivals (twice) and 3 rivals (three times). His other win was over hurdles against 12 rivals.

    The Betfair Chase, since its inception, while often providing a cracking race, has proved the first leg of a graveyard – the other leg being the King George, for some with otherwise excellent Gold Cup credentials. Twister was the worst offender, imo, with Bristol De Mai.

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    CAS – I see our posts crossed. Am with you, as you see.

    #1629498
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    Thanks Steeplechasing. I agree with your post.

    As you say, that Betfair Chase was a hard race. As I recall, he had to dig very deep to defeat Bristol De Mai – a horse that was still a serious operator around Haydock on soft ground.

    It was a very good performance – but it came at a cost.

    I wonder if the Tizzards regret the decision to go for the King George now? I realise the race had been good to them thanks to Cue Card and Thistlecrack. But it was a big ask for LIT after Haydock and the track was not sure to suit him.

    #1629500
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    I detest the Lancashire (I refuse to name its sponsor I dislike it so much) Chase.

    It’s ruined the “Hennessy” and that obscene three-race bonus offered £1 million to the part of the game (the top end) least in need of it.

    Throw in the fact that the once magnificent Haydock Park Chase circuit has been massacred in recent years and it’s a sorry, sorry, tale up Lancashire way!

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    “Throw in the fact that the once magnificent Haydock Park Chase circuit has been massacred.”

    So true. Haydock is one of my local tracks. I used to love going to the National Hunt meetings in particular.

    Those big fences with the drops over on the far side of the track. The distinctive water jump. The long run in on the final circuit. It was a proper jumping test – but all gone.

    I have not been to a jumps meeting there for years. It is half the track it was. I suspect the management do not like the National Hunt game much and prefer the summer weekends and evenings when the track is packed out.

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    “I detest the Lancashire (I refuse to name its sponsor I dislike it so much) Chase.

    It’s ruined the “Hennessy””

    Not on its own though. Of this and last year’s runners, I don’t think any would have gone to the Hennessey if the Betfair didn’t exist.
    More likely stayed in Ireland/ Many Clouds/Rehearsal/ straight to King George.

    Half the runners wouldn’t really have enhanced the Hennessy much anyway. For example from last year- Chatham Street Lad, Clondaw Castle, Imperial Aura and Waiting Patiently were all aging, on the downgrade and never got close to winning anything since.

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    CAS agree Haydock is not the same national hunt wise as was many years ago. I also haven’t been in a long time either due to the reason it being ruined

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    “Those big fences with the drops over on the far side of the track. The distinctive water jump. The long run in on the final circuit.”

    100% THIS.^

    A beautiful description of a once-beautiful circuit.

    Greenasgrass, you’re right, other Pattern Chases in close Racing Calendar proximity, haven’t helped either.

    Horses like Burrough Hill Lad and even Arkle once contested the Hennessy – would connections have even bothered if the odious easy Grade 1 alternative had existed?

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    Just watched a race on youtube with the great Twin Oaks; how have the fences changed since then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvKBRb3NQQ.

    There was no need for the BetFair chase, nor for the Savills Chase.

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    If there were no Grade 1 alternatives to the “Hennessy”, I fear that many modern trainers of top class chasers would opt to keep their powder dry and go for a racecourse gallop instead!

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    That, Marlingford, is depressingly plausible!

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    #1629538
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    Loved his Betfair win , he travelled so well , only glimpses since then and that last run was hard to watch

    #1629542
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    For me it was extremely sad to see a horse of his ability either not being able to keep up (or not wanting to) with horses he would have carried at his best. He has been a shadow of his former self and you have to go all the way back to the 1965 Chase at Ascot in November of 2021 to see anything remotely like him performing like his old self.

    For me at the age of 11 they simply need to retire him and let him spend his time either out in the hunting fields or as a hack because all evidence (over various different distances and ground) suggests that he really doesn’t want to race any more and continuing to run him runs the risk of something tragic happening.

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