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    darren83
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    GALILEO GOLD 3/1

    Older milers not up to much and think 3yos beat them this year but this group one for older milers and think last year 2000 guineas winner is best for this race. won guineas 1st time up so fitness no problem with no Minding in race look like Somehow instead.Don’t think he get beat.

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    Looks like Minding is going for the Tattersalls Gold Cup Darren, which she is priced up at 4/6 for. Not sure if AOB iterated his plans for her but I’d imagine she will be kept to racing on this side of the Irish Sea before Ascot.

    I’ll take a chance on the other filly you mentioned SOMEHOW 10/1. Really impressive in the Dahlia , she has always been at her best around the 9/10F distance, but hopefully with the 3lbs allowance can run better than her price suggests.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Minding not running as expected and the 10’s on Somehow is half the price now
    She’s my pick, looks tough as nails.

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    Avatar photoTheGun
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    Looking at the weather forecast I’d imagine there will at least be some ‘soft’ in the going decision by Saturday, which is worth bearing in mind if betting early doors.

    #1300944
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    11/4 Ribchester

    That’ll do me in what will be a poor race by the time they lineup.

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    11/4 Ribchester

    That’ll do me in what will be a poor race by the time they lineup.

    There might not be great strength in depth, but I am really looking forward to seeing the top 3 in the betting clash.

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    11/4 Ribchester

    That’ll do me in what will be a poor race by the time they lineup.

    There might not be great strength in depth, but I am really looking forward to seeing the top 3 in the betting clash.

    I genuinely don’t think Galileo Gold is a particularly great horse.

    Somehow could be useful but it’s hard to know as of yet.

    Ribchester, whilst decent, is still not great.

    The rest are not group 1 horses.

    Minding would beat this field by 4 lengths. So would Solow.

    #1300970
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    I can’t bring myself to back Galileo Gold. I had a small saver on him in last years 2000 Guineas after reading positive reports from the trainer, who had stated that the colt was clean-winded and easy to get fit.

    There are two downsides for me. Firstly, the horse’s form tailed off the last two runs. Was there a legitimate reason each time or did some tough contests coincide with other horses catching him up through the season?

    The second concern is the stable form, just 1/23 this past fortnight for a 4% strike rate.

    I’ll pass him at 3/1.

    In my opinion, Somehow is way too short at 5/1 now. All her wins have come in Fillies races and I feel the group 2 she won last time was a weak affair. That was her best win to date and not having won a Group 1, I feel most of her form is short of what it will take to win a Lockinge.

    Somehow has not won at a mile yet, and although she has only tried the trip once, on pretty soft ground, the bulk of her form is at further and you would not really say she was crying out to be dropped in trip and these will be the fastest opponents she has ever faced. Plenty questions for me at her odds now.

    Just like Middle-Of-March, I felt Ribchester was the call at 11/4. There is plenty to like about his chances. Placed 9 times in a 10 race career, the only time he didn’t find the frame was when disqualified. His Meyday run was almost certainly not his best, a furlong too far in all probability and on yielding ground, he still ran well for so early in the season. Deauville, who was behind that day has won since and Zarak, who was also behind him, ran Cloth Of Stars to a short neck in the Group 1 Prix Ganay next time out.

    I am assuming Toscanini is the pacemaker Richard Fahey said he was going to run with Ribchester when we saw him next and the trainer has said that Ribchester tends to take off too hard from the stalls.

    Ribchester turned tables with Galileo Gold when winning the Prix Jaques Le Marois at Deauville and he then failed by only half a length to reel in horse of the year Minding in the QEII at Ascot.

    Ribchester looks sure to run his race and he ticks all the boxes. Richard Fahey is right on his seasonal average, being 10/80 12.5% this past fortnight.

    I expect Ribchester to pounce and lift the prize on Saturday.

    Ribchester 11/4 looked the only choice for me.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1300977
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    11/4 Ribchester

    That’ll do me in what will be a poor race by the time they lineup.

    There might not be great strength in depth, but I am really looking forward to seeing the top 3 in the betting clash.

    I genuinely don’t think Galileo Gold is a particularly great horse.

    Somehow could be useful but it’s hard to know as of yet.

    Ribchester, whilst decent, is still not great.

    The rest are not group 1 horses.

    Minding would beat this field by 4 lengths. So would Solow.

    While not great, I don’t think he got the credit he deserved either. He is the highest rated winner of the Guineas of the last 10 years, behind only Frankel, Dawn Approach and narrowly Churchill. I thought between himself, the Ghurkha, Ribchester and Awtaad, it was a rather vintage crop of milers that year. I know a lot of people will disagree and say them all beating each other confirmed they were only much of a muchness.

    Its hard to know if his most recent form should be given precedence over his past form when fresh. But I do agree, Minding, and especially Solow, would make easy work of them.

    #1300980
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    I can’t bring myself to back Galileo Gold. I had a small saver on him in last years 2000 Guineas after reading positive reports from the trainer, who had stated that the colt was clean-winded and easy to get fit.

    There are two downsides for me. Firstly, the horse’s form tailed off the last two runs. Was there a legitimate reason each time or did some tough contests coincide with other horses catching him up through the season?

    The second concern is the stable form, just 1/23 this past fortnight for a 4% strike rate.

    I’ll pass him at 3/1.

    In my opinion, Somehow is way too short at 5/1 now. All her wins have come in Fillies races and I feel the group 2 she won last time was a weak affair. That was her best win to date and not having won a Group 1, I feel most of her form is short of what it will take to win a Lockinge.

    Somehow has not won at a mile yet, and although she has only tried the trip once, on pretty soft ground, the bulk of her form is at further and you would not really say she was crying out to be dropped in trip and these will be the fastest opponents she has ever faced. Plenty questions for me at her odds now.

    Just like Middle-Of-March, I felt Ribchester was the call at 11/4. There is plenty to like about his chances. Placed 9 times in a 10 race career, the only time he didn’t find the frame was when disqualified. His Meyday run was almost certainly not his best, a furlong too far in all probability and on yielding ground, he still ran well for so early in the season. Deauville, who was behind that day has won since and Zarak, who was also behind him, ran Cloth Of Stars to a short neck in the Group 1 Prix Ganay next time out.

    I am assuming Toscanini is the pacemaker Richard Fahey said he was going to run with Ribchester when we saw him next and the trainer has said that Ribchester tends to take off too hard from the stalls.

    Ribchester turned tables with Galileo Gold when winning the Prix Jaques Le Marois at Deauville and he then failed by only half a length to reel in horse of the year Minding in the QEII at Ascot.

    Ribchester looks sure to run his race and he ticks all the boxes. Richard Fahey is right on his seasonal average, being 10/80 12.5% this past fortnight.

    I expect Ribchester to pounce and lift the prize on Saturday.

    Ribchester 11/4 looked the only choice for me.

    Ribchesters consistency is something I love in a top level horse. One of my favourite traits in a group 1 performer.

    Galileo Gold I’ve just never been a fan of at the top level. I understand that’s a personal thing though as his Ascot win stunned me as I was sure form would be reversed that day.

    Somehow I absolutely agree won a weak group 2. I backed her for that but not because she was anything special but more because the opposition looked weak. 5/1 against the consistency of ribchester is short in my view.

    My 11/4 from the other day is now into 5/2 I see but if he stays above 2/1 on the day, I’ll go in again as I make him 11/8 or 6/4 on the prices.

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    11/4 Ribchester

    That’ll do me in what will be a poor race by the time they lineup.

    There might not be great strength in depth, but I am really looking forward to seeing the top 3 in the betting clash.

    I genuinely don’t think Galileo Gold is a particularly great horse.

    Somehow could be useful but it’s hard to know as of yet.

    Ribchester, whilst decent, is still not great.

    The rest are not group 1 horses.

    Minding would beat this field by 4 lengths. So would Solow.

    While not great, I don’t think he got the credit he deserved either. He is the highest rated winner of the Guineas of the last 10 years, behind only Frankel, Dawn Approach and narrowly Churchill. I thought between himself, the Ghurkha, Ribchester and Awtaad, it was a rather vintage crop of milers that year. I know a lot of people will disagree and say them all beating each other confirmed they were only much of a muchness.

    Its hard to know if his most recent form should be given precedence over his past form when fresh. But I do agree, Minding, and especially Solow, would make easy work of them.

    Personally, in a match race, if prefer any of the other three to beat GG 1 on 1

    #1300982
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I’m looking forward to see them in the paddock.
    Galileo Gold is a good looking horse and Palmer seems happy enough with him blaming himself for over doing his season last year for a few poor efforts over running him in a short space of time. Sired by Paco Boy he could possibly still retain a high level but Ribchester seemed to progress past him last year and any improvement from him this year will set a hard standard.
    Lightning Spear ran 3rd in the QE11 and Queen Anne and leaves his challenge late so maybe able to pick up any pieces if they go too quick up front and battle early. Dutch Connection is a 7f specialist.
    O’Brien has been in good form but doesn’t have the best record in this race with only Hawk Wing winning from as far as my memory goes. Is O’Brien using Cougar Mountain as a pacemaker.? May make sense in trying to bring Somehow’s stamina into play.

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    #1300983
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    I’m going to agree with the general consensus that Ribchester is the one to be with. He goes well on any ground, is a winner at the track and brings the best recent form into the race. I had a mighty bet on the horse to win out in Dubai and he looked all over the winner going into the straight before just getting outstayed in the 9th furlong.

    There will be no 9th furlong in the Lockinge to contend with.

    I’m very confident of winning my money back and then some.

    #1301059
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    None of the better known milers excite me at all. They were all put in their place by Minding and you’re invited to choose between one 3-1 shot over another with nothing to choose between them.

    Ennaadd appeals to me at a much bigger price and doesn’t have many pounds to make up with the favourites.

    #1301069
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    Somehow has obviously aimed at this race and is a bet to nothing to be placed. Her win at the back end of last season in Ireland was sensational. Galileo gold will go well fresh so will ribchester. Should be a cracking race.

    #1301076
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    Somehow has obviously aimed at this race and is a bet to nothing to be placed. Her win at the back end of last season in Ireland was sensational. Galileo gold will go well fresh so will ribchester. Should be a cracking race.

    Phew, that’s a bold statement.

    I was runner up in the 100 M at school and won the trial for the 200 m by a long way. Sadly, I tore a muscle in my left thigh on the gallops, when 5 lengths clear approaching the last 50m. That injury ended my athletics career at the tender age of 16 and it is still sore to this day, more than 30 years on.

    Even allowing for that, and being about 6 stones heavier now, I reckon I would have gone close in that race won by Somehow last year. Fresh Air was second that day and Winning Post was third. Paid some Tricast that one ;-)

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1301080
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    Lightning Spear has run well for a couple of years in some big races. I was hoping a more experienced jockey would get the ride in the Lockinge but looks like Oisin again. The Spear has got going too late in most of his races. 7/1 seems generous to me

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