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    FinalFurlong91
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    You look at baaeeds breeding and he must be winning these mile races on pure ability and there is every chance he will improve significantly up in trip or with a strong pace to aim at

    Can definitely see him being 130+ on official ratings by the end of the season

    #1598033
    befair
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    Very impressive; great 24 hrs for Sea the Stars (the GOAT), champion stayer and champion miler!

    #1598035
    FinalFurlong91
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    They really need to stop comparing him to frankel though

    Frankel would’ve beaten that lot 20 lengths

    #1598038
    Ghost of Rob V
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    You look at baaeeds breeding and he must be winning these mile races on pure ability and there is every chance he will improve significantly up in trip or with a strong pace to aim at

    Can definitely see him being 130+ on official ratings by the end of the season

    Canford Cliffs, Excelebration and Kingman were all rated at 133. Baaeed has the potential to exceed that … and I feel that he will.

    #1598042
    IanDavies
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    Strictly on the ORs, Baaeed has only had to run to his 125 to beat Real World (118) by the margin he did and the proximity of Chindit (112 – career-best 114 there, I reckon) suggests the runner up has merely run to form.

    But the ease of victory makes Baaeed 125+ for me.

    Comparisons with Frankel are absurd – Frankel was a 140 colt and would have beaten Baaeed by five lengths even had the latter run to 130.

    “Canford Cliffs, Excelebration and Kingman were all rated at 133.”

    Are these Timeform ratings (often a bit inflated compared to OR)?

    The ORs I have for this trio are: 127, 129 and 126 respectively.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1598054
    FinalFurlong91
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    Must be

    Timeform had frankel 147

    #1598063
    Ghost of Rob V
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    Are these Timeform ratings (often a bit inflated compared to OR)?[/i]”

    Yes, they are Timeform.

    #1598070
    IanDavies
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    Thanks – I go by the OR and it can get confusing when both are quoted in these discussions.

    Frankel was 147 with Timeform and 140
    BHA OR, I think.

    Baaeed was OR 125 going into today and I can’t see much justification for raising him looking at the OR of the second and third.

    Fwiw I think he’s potentially an OR 130 horse, but even if he is he is still 10lb behind Frankel, who IMO would have beaten him by at least five lengths today.

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    #1598073
    TheTinMan87
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    Probably take this with a pinch of salt because I tend to pick holes in even the best horses, I loathe this whole making everyone a superstar malarky which seems to be awash in the racing media and social media but I don’t think hes had to do anything today he shouldnt have been. Godolphin know Native Trail and Coreoebus would make short work of Real World and the two fillies have run shockers. Its not a G1 field but he is most definetly a G1 performer but he’ll have bigger tests down the line imo from Goodwood onwards when the age groups merge.

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    Cork All Star
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    “I loathe this whole making everyone a superstar malarky which seems to be awash in the racing media.”

    Agree. The way Nick Luck on RTV was getting overexcited about a 4/9 chance doing nothing more than the form book entitled him to do was a little bit ridiculous.

    #1598079
    FinalFurlong91
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    It was a similar level of performance as Palace piers easy win in the race last season

    He got beaten by a progressive 3yo at the end of the season

    Be interesting to see of baaeed still has only 1s on his resume by october

    #1598086
    IanDavies
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    Nick Luck is a good bloke, but he has this manic obsession with finding the next superstar.

    We all know soft ground exaggerates winning distances but, after one of the worst Oaks in living memory last year, he was lauding Snowfall as the Second Coming when she’d hammered nothing in bad ground.

    Baaeed is a really good colt, but the OR going into today entitled him to do exactly what he did to the second and third.

    Ok, he won easily, but this is a colt who is a stone behind Frankel and it’s just embarrassing to hear this nonsense being trotted out.

    Baaeed hasn’t yet attained an OR as high as Excelebration, who Frankel used to annihilate with almost monotonous regularity.

    Best since Frankel, my a**e.

    St Mark’s Basilica only last year still has the better overall form.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    Gladiateur
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    Agreed, Ian, although I’d have Frankel about a stone and a half in front of Baaeed. In fact, the latter isn’t even the best miler since the greatest- Kingman has that honour, in my opinion.

    #1598148
    IanDavies
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    According to the BHA OR going into yesterday’s race, your opinion is correct – Baaeed 125, Kingman 126.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1598153
    Gladiateur
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    BHA official ratings aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on (or the computer screens they appear upon).

    Just ask Irish trainers.

    #1598156
    IanDavies
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    I can’t entirely agree there – I certainly find them more sensible than RPR and at the top end of Flat racing I find them a useful base for looking at pattern races.

    Overall BHA Handicapping policy is a different matter, especially over Jumps.

    There are a great many winter Handicaps in which the winner is manifestly the only horse that’s run to form.

    Yet the UK Handicapper is predisposed to use a placed horse as the benchmark and this results in many winners getting hiked right up the weights for beating regressive, out-of-sorts, rivals.

    The Irish Handicapper seems more sensible and measured about hiking winners in Ireland.

    So when they all come together at Cheltenham, no surprises to see who’s the best in.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    #1598166
    Mike007
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    Once Adayar beats Baeed in the Juddmonte, the hype machine can be put away. ;o)

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