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At the end of the day Kauto still has an ace up his sleeve and that is even under severe pressure he finds extra whereas unfortunately Denman finds little the minute he hits the Cheltenham Hill…
WTF??? Fist, that IS what u wrote, no?? Denman finds little when hitting the Cheltenham hill?? Please, explain that to me, Im dumbfounded!!!
When i was watching the morning line some time back, they had the vet Bruce Baldon on the show, and I sent him a mail asking about Denmans condition, and while I stand corrected that it wasnt exactly open-heart surgery, he DID have an operation, as the following reply will indicate;
No – this is an op done by cardiologists rather than surgeons, and I am not a cardiologist. Its actually not a "big" op – an incision is made into the jugular vein and then a wire is fed down the vein into the heart. The clever part is next, the cardiology bit, applying electrical pulses via this wire to alter the rhythm of the heart.
Denman had atrial fibrillation, and most horses in that situation can be fixed with drug treatment. Electrical conversion is a rare procedure for the few that don’t respond to drugs. There are significant risks with it – the electric pulses can make the heart rhythm worse rather than better.
It wasn’t a big surgery like you might imagine an "open heart" surgery, with splitting the sternum.
Bruce Bladon BVM&S Cert EP DESTS Dipl ECVS MRCVS
RCVS & European Specialist in Equine SurgeryWhile this may not be open-heart surgery, its STILL a bloody operation!! Which is a lot more than what Kauto was really suffering from (not fresh enough), so I stand by what I said before, only retracting the open-heart surgery statement.
Himself, Sam Thomas wont have any bearing on what happens in March, as Tony McCoy is almost certain to ride Denman.
Himself, Sam Thomas wont have any bearing on what happens in March, as Tony McCoy is almost certain to ride Denman.
Aido, Tony McCoy was linked with Denman last year prior to the Gold Cup and backed as if it was a foregone conclusion that he would be riding the horse in the Gold Cup. However, Sam Thomas rode him once again.
If Tony McCoy does ride Denman this year, it may be due to the fact that Sam Thomas will be booked to ride What A Friend in the same race.
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Himself, I agree. Although I dont think Sam did anything wrong on Denman, I would still love to see A.P. on him. Nothing against Sam, its just that when u can use the best, then why not? Also, Sam gave What a Friend a cracking ride in the Lexus. He really seems to suit that horse.
I rather think that connections of Denman feel a certain loyalty to Sam Thomas, although I may be wrong. Doesn’t look as of What a Friend will be running in the Gold Cup anyway. If I was an owner or trainer I don’t think I’d be falling over myself to book AP for Cheltenham; I don’t think he rides the course any better than a lot of other jockeys. Quite good on quirky horses, though.
Interesting to read Paul Nolan’s comments that they’re going to ride Joncol a bit more conservatively next time. Squeaky sent him to the front seven out which was simply far too soon for a horse who has been so competitive over 2m-2m4. He still looked the winner coming down to the last but he was legless up the straight. In fairness to Cawley, the horse didn’t do him any favours by hanging over to the stand side. Had he stayed on the far rail after taking over from Notre Pere it would’ve helped him.
didnt Sublimity run well on totally unsuitable ground, after making a shocking mistake 4 out? I believe he may have won had he not made a bol**cks of that flight.
Not sure about that Aido, the official and the RP time-based ground was gd/soft, definitely quicker than when he won the Champion Hurdle. Also have serious doubts whether his mistake made any difference to the result.
Himself, Sam Thomas wont have any bearing on what happens in March, as Tony McCoy is almost certain to ride Denman.
Yep just like last year Aido, McCoy gets backed from 5/2 into 2/7 whilst Sam drifted from 6/4 to 2/1 and i was rewarded handsomely! Play it again Sam,the price of AP this year is 2/7 again,i must find out what i can get on Sam then!
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I really hope Sam Thomas gets the ride, putting AP on board won’t make an ounce of difference. Sam knows the horse inside out and has never ridden a bad race on him and no kicking and pushing of Denman would get an ounce more out of him, he gives his all in every race he runs in.
Hopefully Jonjo will decide to run Don’t Push It as part of his Aintree build up and AP isn’t available
I can think of few better examples of a horse and jockey racing "as one" than Sam Thomas and Denman. Ruby may well be the best I’ve seen but Denman seems to go better for Sam. Denman is currently one of my three bankers for The Festival but I’m not even sure I’ll back him if McCoy gets the mount as I don’t think his style would suit The Tank. Not that they’d get the mount but I’d think the quieter more symathetic style of the likes of Timmy Murphy or Nina Carberry would suit the horse better
I can think of few better examples of a horse and jockey racing "as one" than Sam Thomas and Denman.
You"re well named Sir!
Guys, dont get me wrong, I think Sam has been brilliant with Denman, but Denmans best ever performance on ratings was in the Hennessey with Ruby up, wasnt it?? Im not saying Sam should be jocked-off, but I think McCoy would get on like a house on fire with The Tank! Timmy and Nina, whom I both love, would NOT suit Denman!?! What, Denman suddenly needs to be ridden quietly out the back???? Now that was funny!!!!
New postby Aido1 on 08 Jan 2010, 22:38
Timmy and Nina, whom I both love, would NOT suit Denman!?! What, Denman suddenly needs to be ridden quietly out the back???? Now that was funny!!!!Both Timmy and Nina are equally good on a front runner, both mould themselves to their mounts and let the horses swing along, both seem get the best out of their mounts
Quote Enda Bolger.."I’ve been saying it all along but I think she (Nina Carberry) is probably the best rider I’ve ever seen, she’s tremendous."I’m 100% behind Sam Thomas I just don’t think Denman needs a lot of (McCoy style) bustling except maybe at the start and passing the stables.
The Ante-Post King on 08 Jan 2010, 13:08
wrote: .You"re well named Sir!Thank You TAPK, perhaps I should explain my claim to the moniker….
As a Teenager I worked for an old style ex street bookie who used this “system” for his own bets, and very profitable it was for him too. I’ve used it since 1964 and only had very few losing (NH) seasons in all that time, none since the betting tax was abolished
Start each season with 100 point kitty (I only bet on NH these days)
As the kitty should never be supplemented that makes the first one or two bets very important, no half chancers, whims, old favourites etc, these opening bets need to be as near to cast iron as possible. Luckily this year my first bet was Loosen My Load won his bumper in style, got EW 7-1 It had looked a 1-2-3 certainty
Once the kitty is doubled take out the original 100 points, the season is now “ a bet to nothing” If that 100 points is lost consider re-instating the original kitty but never dip into more
Be just as diligent with every bet, waiting for the first bet is good practice in patience! I usually stick to top class meetings and the occasional Irish bumper, maybe average a bet every fortnight or so
Pick a meeting later in the season to build towards, it’s always been Cheltenham for me but Aintree or Punchestown would be just as good.
The entire remaining kitty goes on an each way yankee and an extra ew accumulator on the four best bets of the meeting of choice (sure to be in the frame is my criterion). This sometimes takes a lot of bottle if the kitty is quite large, this year has been very good to me, I’m 1059 points clear so far and with this weather I doubt if I’ll be having many bets before Cheltenham so it’s going to be a pretty big bet!!!
I very rarely include an odds on chance, even more rarely back anything over 10-1. Even four short price places will get the funds back, live to fight another dayt
For the rest of the season the size of my bets are then greatly reduced, my last bet would possibly be the big hunter chase at Stratford in May
This year I believe I’ve got three of the four already although none are groundbreaking, Dunguib wherever he runs, Garde Champetre and Denman but these may well be revised according to the weather holding up preparations, the going, could be very heavy this year if the snow keeps lying etc
As for the fourth, now An Siorrac is going to miss this year’s Festival it could be any one of a dozen or more …………
Here’s an updated version of an earlier post I made on exactly this thread
As a Teenager I worked for an old style ex street bookie who used this “system” for his own bets, and very profitable it was for him too. I’ve used it since 1964 and only had very few losing (NH) seasons in all that time, none since the betting tax was abolished
Start each season with 100 point kitty (I only bet on NH these days)
As the kitty should never be supplemented that makes the first one or two bets very important, no half chancers, whims, old favourites etc, these opening bets need to be as near to cast iron as possible. Luckily this year my first bet was Loosen My Load won his bumper in style, got EW 7-1 It had looked a 1-2-3 certainty
Once the kitty is doubled take out the original 100 points, the season is now “ a bet to nothing” If that 100 points is lost consider re-instating the original kitty but never dip into more
Be just as diligent with every bet, waiting for the first bet is good practice in patience! I usually stick to top class meetings and the occasional Irish bumper, maybe average a bet every fortnight or so
Pick a meeting later in the season to build towards, it’s always been Cheltenham for me but Aintree or Punchestown would be just as good.
The entire remaining kitty goes on an each way yankee and an extra ew accumulator on the four best bets of the meeting of choice (sure to be in the frame is my criterion). This sometimes takes a lot of bottle if the kitty is quite large, this year has been very good to me, I’m 1250 points clear after this weekend so a Cheltenham yankee is going to be a pretty big bet!!!
PS I’ve proofed all bets since joining and I’ve added 300 points during that timeI very rarely include an odds on chance, even more rarely back anything over 10-1. Even four short price places will get the funds back, live to fight another dayt
For the rest of the season the size of my bets are then greatly reduced, my last bet would possibly be the big hunter chase at Stratford in May
This year I’ve only got two of the four already neither are groundbreaking, Dunguib, wherever he runs and Garde Champetre. I’ve just rule out Denman and An Siorrac (my original banker) is going to miss this year’s Festival it could be any one of a dozen or more …………
OOOps sorry wrong thread
"CheltenhamSpecialist":9me8bf9r wrote: Here’s an updated version of an earlier post I made on exactly this thread
As a Teenager I worked for an old style ex street bookie who used this “system” for his own bets, and very profitable it was for him too. I’ve used it since 1964 and only had very few losing (NH) seasons in all that time, none since the betting tax was abolished
Start each season with 100 point kitty (I only bet on NH these days)
As the kitty should never be supplemented that makes the first one or two bets very important, no half chancers, whims, old favourites etc, these opening bets need to be as near to cast iron as possible. Luckily this year my first bet was Loosen My Load won his bumper in style, got EW 7-1 It had looked a 1-2-3 certainty
Once the kitty is doubled take out the original 100 points, the season is now “ a bet to nothing” If that 100 points is lost consider re-instating the original kitty but never dip into more
Be just as diligent with every bet, waiting for the first bet is good practice in patience! I usually stick to top class meetings and the occasional Irish bumper, maybe average a bet every fortnight or so
Pick a meeting later in the season to build towards, it’s always been Cheltenham for me but Aintree or Punchestown would be just as good.
The entire remaining kitty goes on an each way yankee and an extra ew accumulator on the four best bets of the meeting of choice (sure to be in the frame is my criterion). This sometimes takes a lot of bottle if the kitty is quite large, this year has been very good to me, I’m 1250 points clear after this weekend so a Cheltenham yankee is going to be a pretty big bet!!!
PS I’ve proofed all bets since joining and I’ve added 300 points during that timeI very rarely include an odds on chance, even more rarely back anything over 10-1. Even four short price places will get the funds back, live to fight another dayt
For the rest of the season the size of my bets are then greatly reduced, my last bet would possibly be the big hunter chase at Stratford in May
This year I’ve only got two of the four already neither are groundbreaking, Dunguib, wherever he runs and Garde Champetre. I’ve just rule out Denman and An Siorrac (my original banker) is going to miss this year’s Festival it could be any one of a dozen or more …………
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