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PHIL37 ** JAR.
I have never seen such bad results for this system.<br>The percentages are going haywire.<br>It seems to be 1 step forward 2 steps back at the moment.I know that the system will eventually come into profit,but at the moment it is very frustrating knowing that the system should be winning,and it is not.<br>As I stated before,the system doe’s not depend on any specific horse being Favorite,but on the meeting.Generally speaking,the favorite should win at least one race out of six.This is not happening.The time of year doe’s not come into account.Because the system doe’s not depend on any given criteria< Form,Speed,Class,ETC.But relies only on each meetings percentages.I am only writing this for the benefit of those that might be weary of the systems results so far.<br>I am myself not worried in the least,because I know the systems past record.I can afford to wait for the system to come around,mainly because I make large bets.<br>Anyone can start with a small bank to run this system,and build up from that bank.
Hope this clears everything up.
Don’t abandon the system,you will be sorry.
P.S…Always use two or three good systems,that way if one system is on a loseing run,the others will make up for any loses,and keep your bank up.
Good Luck.
Hi All,
What you are all describing in terms of your ‘worse than expected’ losing runs is the very reason that you should have a bank that gives you the confidence to go on.
It is clear that you all have a suitable bank and therefore you should not look on the losing runs as terrible – but look on it as part of the process of making a profit!
The day you start to worry about the bank is the day you realise the bank wasnt big enough in the first place!
[all of the above is assuming that you are operating a well researched, logical method].
tttracing.
See my post above yours..RE.I am not worried in the least,I can afford to wait.
What I was trying to do,was show forumites not to give up on the 3 Races System.Since they only know the 3 Races System for the past 5 weeks,not a very long time.But I know the results of the system for years.<br>The 3 Races system was well researched,I would not invest in anything if I thougfht I was going to lose money on it.If any fellow forumites think that the system is not logical.Then they can check it for themselves,as I have done.I have lots of back copies of the raceform annuals.They are great for checking any system,before you put down any money.You could also buy raceform update,a weekly racing magazine,with a pullout section for racing results.I would love someone to check the systems past results,then come back to the forum,and give their opinion.As I stated in my first post,A Bank of £700.00 would carry you for 100 Loseing meetings in a row.Do you think thats possible.If it is possible,then I am giving up racing forever.
Is this any help ttt.
P.S…ttt,Someday I will show forumites a System that the More you Lose,the More you make.
Hint.This system is based on the 3 Races System.
(Edited by william winalot at 10:19 am on April 3, 2003)
Hi william,
re your post – I didnt particularly need ‘help’ I was agreeing that long losing runs are part and parcel of the game.
However, I am intrigued by your ‘more you lose – more you win’ ideas – sounds like a sales gimmick to me – would you care to expand on your comments?
TTTRACING.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY,Sounds like a sales gimmick.
What sales gimmick,I do not charge fo anything I put up on this forum.Neither do I have any sites on the internet.I am not prepared to put  up the system I quote,The more you lose thev more you win.Until I’ve proven that the 3 Races System really doe’s work.I’ve gotten enough slaging off already,Just because the 3 Races System is in the Red.Some people on this seam to think that they can get Rich overnight from racing.It can’t be done.Some people might ask themselves,why do I bother with this forum in the first place.Heres why.
1:Because I like the competition.<br>2:I DO like to see if I can beat other forumites with my systems,and see who can make the biggest profit.<br>3:There is some really usefull information on this forum,I have tried other racing forums,and they come no where as good as this forum.<br>4:We are all on this forum for the same reason,namely because we love Horse Racing.<br>5:ETC:
TTT.I did’nt mean that you needed help with your systems,selections.What I mean’t was to help you to understand how the 3 Races System works.
Good Luck.<br>
Hi William,
when I said ‘sounds like a sales gimmick’ – it was a turn of phrase – as in:
"Hurry down to DFS this Easter for great savings on our leather masturbation chairs and remember the more you pay the more you save"
that kind of sales gimmick, :biggrin:
cor blimey WW – you dont have go off on one when you think people are taking the p*ss!
William .. how much of a bank do you think you need to make a living from racing .. the reason I’m asking is this; I bet for a living and do quite nicely and have done on and off for quite a time (19 years).
The whole problem with the systems approach seems to be that people who don’t know anything about horses think they can make a living by just fiddling with the betting market or blindly following any old system where such and such agrees with such and such .. this is just plain daft .. the same as doubling up after losers .. can’t win, won’t win and never will win .. it doesn’t work!!
You’ve got to read the form, study and work to make a living at this game .. it’s not easy, in fact, it’s hard.
DAVE JAY.
Yes I agree with you 100%.<br>I would NEVER follow any system blindly,that would be suicide in racing.Would you buy a car without first trying it out.
Dave you state that you have made a living from racing for the past 19 years,thats great,good luck to you,and may it continue for you.Your approach is to study the form book.That is also my approach,I have stated on this forum on numerous occasions,that the right approach to picking winners is based around,SPEED,WEIGHT,ClASS,These 3 criteria are all anyone needs to find the winners.BUt you can also make a very good living from racing if you use Logic in your calculations.My interpretation of logic is to go with the percentages,once they are in my favor,hence the 3 Races System.Logic tells me that the Fav SHOULD win one of the races at any given meeting,but this may not always be the case,hence the loseing meetings posted by me for the 3 Races System.But in the long run the 3 races will come around and make a profit.
Dave:This is one of the systems I use to make my living from racing.I know a lot of people on this forum would not believe it.They are basing the system on only a few weeks results,and also because the system is in the Red at the moment.There is a System { MY OWN } where the More you Lose the More you make.
As you state it takes a lot of work and study to win at racing>>Checking the Past Results,Maths,Logic.ETC:Time consuming
Now Dave as to how much of a BANK anyone needs to make a living is immaterial,any size BANK would do,it is your approach that will make you a living at this game.<br>Example:My 3 Races System on this forum is in the RED at the moment to the tune of £34.25 from a starting Bank of £210.00,therefore all I have staked since Feb 20 is £34.25 to £1.00 stakes.If the 3 Races System picks up from here,and starts making a profit,then all I ever needed from my Bank was the £34.25,the highest the system ever was out of profit.It is not the SIZE of the bank that counts,but your selections.If you were lucky enough to start any system,and the system was continually making a profit,then all you would ever need is you original first stake,since you would never have to use any of your bank.Do you get my point.
Dave: I know that you must work very hard to make racing pay.But you can make racing pay just by having a logical system,with the right approach.Hence the 3 races System that I use.It will make a good profit in time.But that is what a lot of punters don’t have.TIME.<br>Everyone wan’t to make a killing in one day.Yankees,Accumulators,trebles,ETC:They throw away money on these,when they could use the same money and build up there banks,into some worthwhile.
Hope I make sence to you.
Good Luck.
(Edited by william winalot at 7:26 pm on April 6, 2003)
TTTRACING.
In your reply if you are implying that I am a W**KER.<br>Then may I say that you  must be the best Master de Bater on this forum,since I never implied anything to you to give you that impression.The store that you Quote DFS,doe’s that stand for.Dumd Forumite S**THEAD.<br>Why do you bother getting yourself upset checking my results.Do you check because you think that you might be missing something,I think that you ARE Missing something.
TTT:You take the Chair that you quote.
I’ll STAND by my Results.
WIN A LOT…
(Edited by william winalot at 2:00 am on April 5, 2003)
William,
I just give up – I dont have a clue what you are on about.
It is evident from your posts that you need some counselling or anger management coaching.
Good luck with the rest of this thread.
If you ever come back to earth then I would be delighted to see you post the other system that you mentioned.
However, given the nature of your last post, it seems you have quite a few more orbits left in you yet!!
William .. calm down !! we’re all mates on here and we’re all interested in making money .. we’re all on the same side but just have different approaches and views that’s all. I wouldn’t be offended by what ttt said to you there if it was directed at me, he was having a joke with you …
I’d also like to add, that you do talk a lot of sense william and you are a valuable contributor to the forum imo. You asked me in your answer to my question ‘do you get my point?’ the answer is a deafening NO !! The way I see banks working is something like this ….
Say I use a system that produces a VSP of 10% .. that means that for every £100 I turnover I’m going to be £10 up .. over a period of time .. so if I need to make £200 a week .. £200 /10 = £20 x £100 = £2000, that’s what I need to TURNOVER a week to make £200 .. so then my bank would have to be a multiple of £2000 for safety, wouldn’t it ??
Dave Jay.
Not necessarly Dave.<br>It all depends on your selections.<br>If your selections are not consistent,then no bank will be able to sustain the loseing run.Let me give you an example of what I mean’t.
Any System with good selections.
Example:
Bank £2.00 TWO POUNDS.
1st Bet=£1.00 One Pound
1st Bet a Winner at 1/1<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Bank £3.00
2nd Bet a Winner at 6/4
Bank £4.50>>You have doubled your Bank.
3rd bet a Loser
Bank £3.50
4th Bet a Loser
Bank £2.50 Still Ahead.
5th Bet a Winner at 6/4
Bank £4.00
6th Bet a Winner at 6/4
Bank £5.50
And so on.
Even starting with a Bank of Just £2.00<br>If your selections are consistent then your Bank will increase.
It is possible that you may never need more than your First Bet.
In this small example you have nearly trebled your Bank.
Once you can select 50% Winners above 1/1 you will increase your bank.
Dave for you to make your £200.00 per week.<br>You would only need a Bank of £400.00 providing your selection method can produce 50% winners at 1/1 or more,or odds that are comparable to the amount you wish to achieve<br>The bigger the odds,the less winners you would need to make your £200.00.
I prefer short prices rather than go for longshots,but that is MY Way,I always like to bet when the percentages are in MY favor.
Dave.I am not a prude,I can take a Joke with the rest.When I reply to a post that is B****King me,I am B****King back,I am joking just like the rest,But maybe I go a little far with my replies,I’ve got to admit,some of my replys are not to bad.What do you think.
Thanks for the Compliment Dave.
Good Luck in all your adventures.
Good Breeding tells all.
TTTRACING.
See Reply to Dave JAY.
Don’t Give Up TTT.
Just follow my 3 Races System and get back into the Black.
I think you need to get down off your high CHAIR.
May the Force be with you.
Hi All<br> It seems to me that the relevant point is a person’s betting style should suit his/her mentality i.e they should feel comfortable with it.<br> After all the only figure that matters in the long run is the end of season balance. Is it’s profit or loss. If it’s the former then they have got things right.
freebird
Hello Freebird.
Thanks for the reply.
You are right,it is the overall profit for the season that counts,not daily,weekly,monthly.I base all my selections by this criteria.To make racing pay,you must have a selection method that picks consistent winners,as against losers.Patience is the only way to win at this game.Noone can make a quick fortune in a short time.Someone MAY get lucky and win the Scoop Six,but if you look at how many punters do the Scoop Six and never come close to winning,then you can see how hard it is to pick winners.Even the professionals can’t do it.
So Freebird check ALL the Systems on this forum.Then choose the Systems that consistently show a profit at the END of the season.You won’y go wrong if you use this approach.
Good Luck.
Hi William
  Not really being heavily into systems myself I have no axe to grind with people who are. After all the truest saying in the world is ‘different strokes for different folks’. If it works for you just do it man, anyone who takes money from the bookie’s has my whole hearted support.<br>   Having consistently made a profit over the last twenty three years albeit as a recreational punter I think there is room for everyone. After all if we all used the same methods we would all be backing the same horses. we all know what would happen to the prices if we did that don’t we.<br>   The main point I picked out of your reply is the stress you put on patience. I couldn’t agree more, if we have confidence in our methods and abilities patience is our biggest weapon in the fight. The only advantage we have is that we can decide when to bet. The bookie bets on every race and I think this is the biggest chink in his armour.<br>   Keep truckin’ right and we’ll get there.
  freebird
Hello Freebird.
Everyone who bets the horses bets to a SYSTEM.<br>If that was not the case,then how would anyone choose the horses they bet on.There has to be some Method of selection.Even if you are backing newspaper tipsters,you are still backing to  a system.Even picking horses with a pin,is backing to a system,the Pin is the SYSTEM.Do you agree with this statement.
Freebird.You state that you have consistently made a profit over the last twenty years.That is great for you.You state that you only bet as a recreational punter.<br>Why have you not taken your method of selections,and become a full time investor.I have also been making a full time income over the past twenty years.Of course I started out small,but as I have always stated anyone with a consistent selection method,can build up from their selections to as much as they like.If you could guarantee that your selection method could make only £1.00 a Month,then you could make that £1.00 into any amount you choose.I am not saying that everyone agrees with me,that is their choice.But any logical approach to betting will eventually pay off in the long run.I could use a Pin to select my horses,and if that method consistently picked winners,then I would stick with that method,no matter what anyone said about my method of selection.
Freebird.Again thanks for your reply,that is what this forum SHOULD be all about.Everyones Ideas,Whether Good or Bad.
Good Luck in your ventures.
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