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I’d agree with laying dylan thomas if it rains and the ground goes soft. however if its anywhere near good or faster he is unopposable imo, slow pace ont be a problem hes got the speed, more so than anything else in the race!
Dubai Millennium won (on turf) weak group ones that is the point I’m trying top make he never faced a top class rival that ran to his form.
Dettori may say he was the best horse he’s ridden but then jockeys say lots of things don’t they?
By the way I forgot Nijinsky in my list as someone previously pointed out, yes of course he should be on there.
You mean slickly, dansili, sendawar, behrans, dansili etc all had off days??? Sorry cant buy that….and even if by some strange phenomenon there were no other group 1 horses about, that fact that he could beat group 2 horses by theses distances would still put him at the very top of horses Ive seen.
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He walked all over multiple Group 1 winners – as SHLsays they can’t all have had off days. I can accept that maybe one or two did but both Sendawar and Behrens to have off days?
I think we need to face facts, he’s the best we’ve had in a long while and but for a lack of stamina he’d be unbeaten without any other horse getting near him.
Behrens ran pretty much to his best form (was clear of the third) and that put DM on 140.
There is no way Dubai Millennium ran to a rating above 133 on turf max. That was despite having everything all his own way being able to run his races mainly in smallish fields and being able to dominate. I have him at 132 at his best.
Flash, both Timeform and the Racing Post had Dubai Millennium running his best race on dirt, in the Dubai World Cup: that is where he gets his 140 rating from Timeform and his 139 rating from Racing Post from.
The turf argument is a red herring as far as the horse’s lifetime best rating is concerned.
Flash, both Timeform and the Racing Post had Dubai Millennium running his best race on dirt, in the Dubai World Cup: that is where he gets his 140 rating from Timeform and his 139 rating from Racing Post from.
The turf argument is a red herring as far as the horse’s lifetime best rating is concerned.
Thats fine. To me dirt racing isn’t proper racing I only pay attention to the turf, I don’t even watch any "artificial" racing.
I’m a traditionalist.
Given that the horse won one turf Group 1 (the Queen Elizabeth Stakes) by 6 lengths and another (the Prince of Wales’s Stakes) by 8 lengths, and that he gained all of his 9 victories by 2.5 lengths and more, would you concede that Dubai Millennium might have been capable of a higher rating on turf if anything had been up to giving him a proper race?
Thats fine. To me dirt racing isn’t proper racing I only pay attention to the turf, I don’t even watch any "artificial" racing.
I’m a traditionalist.
I’m confused on a few points here. What is artificial racing ? What is a traditionalist ? And why the hell is dirt racing not proper racing ?
I wonder if ballydoyle are thinking,we should of left soldier of fortune in the KG???
With Aidan O’Brien voicing concerns over Dylan Thomas’ effectiveness and ability to cope with heavy ground (which he may encounter at Ascot on Saturday), the question therefore must be asked ; why run the horse on such ground if it clearly disadvantages him.
Is it yet another case of getting the excuses in early.
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The plan should have been to leave all three in and then decide today. Top and bottom of it is he just doesn`t like his better 3yo`s running in it.
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With Aidan O’Brien voicing concerns over Dylan Thomas’ effectiveness and ability to cope with heavy ground (which he may encounter at Ascot on Saturday), the question therefore must be asked ; why run the horse on such ground if it clearly disadvantages him.
Is it yet another case of getting the excuses in early.
Not at all.
With the Juddmonte only 3 weeks away, the run won’t do him any harm, and he’s done his job in scaring away the opposition, so the KG becomes a stroll in the park for Scorpion.I think Aidan has played it pretty smart, on good or faster I think DT would have walked it while on soft or worse Scorpian should win in my opinion. Meanwhile the potential gain in running SoF in such a weak field is very little compared with the downside if he lost.
Many, myself included, resent the way horses are campaigned in such a commercial manner. That said I cant blame O’Brien for doing his job.
Many, myself included, resent the way horses are campaigned in such a commercial manner. That said I cant blame O’Brien for doing his job.
Yes, I suppose in many ways he is just the puppet to his puppet masters’ instructions. Re: Holy Roman Emperor. Not quite in the Saeed Bin Suroor category, but you get the picture.
Though to be fair – Aidan is at least a very good trainer of racehorses.
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