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Would probably have two King Georges in the bag if Kauto wasn’t around Ian.
As for Tidal Bay, it will depend on what happens in the Tingle Creek but I think they should go for the KG even if he beats Master Minded in a canter as the race is suddenly looking very winable.
And Fist – if Snoopy Loopy can win a Betfair, why can’t a far better horse in Voy Por Ustedes win a King George?
A horse can win any race if the opposition is not on song or something doesn’t suit. VPU is as ordnary as ordinary youu can get for a grade 1 winner.
What makes you think he’s a better horse than Snoopy Loopy? Granted Snoopy Loopy only finished 2 1/2 lengths in front of him getting over a stone but that was over 2mf4 where he looks superior………over 3 miles on soft ground I know which one I would back.
Amazing you would even assume VPU will get the trip at Kempton let alone win. I think he has absolutely no chane of winning the King George even if Kauto didn’t turn up.
How did Racing Demon get the reputation he had. He was never much better than average.
Don’t mean to be a cheapskate (
) but what did Pricewise go for in Wednesday’s ante-post King George recommendation?Tamarinbleu at 20’s Disraelite.
A tip for all too – you can buy a PDF version of the RP from 1am the previous night so it saves getting up for the paper shop to find out the pricewise selections for those who follow him. (Need it for work myself but easy enough to find out the various tips etc.)
Kauto Star is the horse to beat on past form,how could he not be?
But the key word is PAST.
French bred horse who has had some very hard races in last three seasons and I’ll stick my neck out and say he is very much in decline and will struggle to win another race this season.I’ve said this on previous threads.Time for new boys to come thru.
At three miles the only horse for me is Tidal Bay..That is the problem though.
The only decent novices from last years bunch are TB Noland and Thyne Again.The rest are only reasonable.I think Our Vic is good each-way value in this. He has the form in the book, the blinkers worked really well for him at the back end of last season and he runs really well fresh.
If Kauto turns up fit and ready he wins, simple
6/4 on the day = price of the century.Kauto Star is the horse to beat on past form,how could he not be?
But the key word is PAST.
French bred horse who has had some very hard races in last three seasons and I’ll stick my neck out and say he is very much in decline and will struggle to win another race this season.I’ve said this on previous threads.Time for new boys to come thru.
At three miles the only horse for me is Tidal Bay..That is the problem though.
The only decent novices from last years bunch are TB Noland and Thyne Again.The rest are only reasonable.Brave call Barham, but I like a beast that sticks his neck out..you’re not related to Araldur are you?
I’m in the camp that believes Kauto is as good as ever. I’m not a KS fanatic, but what he has achieved is undoubtedly special. He would have won the Betfair imho, not in spectacular fashion, but he would have done the business.
If he turns up at Kempton 85% as good as he was last year, he’ll add to his trophy cabinet.
Zip
Was hoping Imperial Commander would run but can’t see him running in the Boylesport and this, so maybe Our Vic represents the best value, certainly EW as if he runs he surely can’t be out of the first 3.
Interesting to read that Charlie Mann wants to send Air Force One to Kempton on Boxing Day for the King George.
I personally think he could run very well in the race, and is a very big price at the moment, if connections want to go down that route.
I was convinced 2 miles in the Tingle Creek would be too pacey for him even though he had an impressive Arkle win under his belt, Tidal Bay at Kempton must be the most confident or optimistic view i’ve had for a while, an easy 3 miles will suit him down to the ground and all being well all roads should then lead to the Ryanair Chase at the Festival, good luck whatever your opinions.
First of all, Araldur is no a relation of mine though a blonde I once knew compared me to a horse.I never found out why?
However,I am related to various celebritys who also stuck their necks out,including Mary Queen Of Scots.Sorry Ian but if you think 6/4 KS is price of the century,you’ll be on already and will miss the 7/4 on the day.
I think you will find if PN stands up and says something positive about Kauto Star a day or so before the race he will start odds on.
I have a feeling PN let him down too much after his 1st run with the view this is the horses main target of the season.
I reckon PN must have it in his head that Kauto might not have enough clear ammunition to beat Denman in the Gold Cup and that for him The King George must take priority.
I think you have more chance of getting 4/1 oxford and 4/1 cambridge for the boat race than you have getting 7/4 Kauto Star on the day of the race.
The only dangers I can see is if Imperial Commander wins by a fence tomorrow and turns out to be really special the punters might take a chance on him…..Tidal Bay no doubt lost a lot of fans when he was trounced by Master Minded…fine to say he could be better over a trip but this is new territory for him and that will create doubt and affect a lot of punter’s confidence.
Just can’t see where the money is going to go to make Kauto drift
I’ve had a cut at Air Force One today at 14/1 and don’t see that price lasting more than a day or two. 3 miles on decent ground right-handed should be perfect. Kuato has to be taken on given his last few efforts and Our Vic is too old.
Quite interesting comments by John Francombe on Channel 4 yesterday.
He’s convinced something was hurting Tidal Bay in the Tingle Creek. Can’t say I noticed anything, but when someone like JF makes that kind of observation it’s worth considering.
I think Kauto Star is still the one to beat and he has most to fear from Tidal Bay, whose been crying out for this trip. In recent years, One Man and Kauto Star have proved that a class two miler who stays well thrives around Kempton. Voy Por Ustedes has to be considered, too.
TB is related to a three miler and gives the impression it won’t pose a problem. Howard Johson is convinced he needs a trip and I can see him being given an ‘Exotic Dancer’ style ride on the day (if HJ decides to run him) – switched off out the back and slowly creeping closer.
It will be interesting to see if Kauto can beat him for speed.
Air Force One is the dark horse. What a race! Hope all the leading protagonists take their chance.
Quite interesting comments by John Francombe on Channel 4 yesterday.
He’s convinced something was hurting Tidal Bay in the Tingle Creek. Can’t say I noticed anything, but when someone like JF makes that kind of observation it’s worth considering.
I think Kauto Star is still the one to beat and he has most to fear from Tidal Bay, whose been crying out for this trip. In recent years, One Man and Kauto Star have proved that a class two miler who stays well thrives around Kempton. Voy Por Ustedes has to be considered, too.
TB is related to a three miler and gives the impression it won’t pose a problem. Howard Johson is convinced he needs a trip and I can see him being given an ‘Exotic Dancer’ style ride on the day (if HJ decides to run him) – switched off out the back and slowly creeping closer.
It will be interesting to see if Kauto can beat him for speed.
Air Force One is the dark horse. What a race! Hope all the leading protagonists take their chance.
Bos,
I too watched the C4 chat on Saturday and was surprised to hear John Francombe be so dogmatic about TB’s "inury."
Makes TB even more interesting – to think that he gained 2nd in the Tingle Creek despite hurting. I do think 3 miles will improve him.
TB is now 7/1 with Labrokes which I think is a decent price. I don’t have one locally, so may have to bite the Billy Betfair bullet.
KS is the one to beat, but TB is now becoming a great price imho.
Zip
) but what did Pricewise go for in Wednesday’s ante-post King George recommendation?
6/4 on the day = price of the century.
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