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Looks like a great race, St Nicholas Abbey has obviously been very impressive recently but I love Cirrus Des Aigles and at 7/2 on Willianhill I’ll be on the French ship.
My only concern is the ground, will it be too quick for him? He’s won on good at Ascot before when triumphant over So You Think but if it’s on the firm side it could be an issue.
Can’t decide whether to tuck my balls in and make the bet regardless or not!
Unless it is soft I am against Cirrus Des Aigles. He seems far less effective the faster it gets and he’s no spring chicken now at seven years of age. St Nicholas Abbey seems best at mopping up poor Coronation Cups at Epsom and Breeder’s cup turfs. I doubt that this race will be his ideal cup of tea and I am opposing both due to their short odds. The ratings will tell you Ektihaam can’t win but I think he’s improved a lot this year and he seems to have benefited from being ridden more positively. It seems reasonable to say, based on both visual and collateral form evidence, that he would have won if he hadn’t slipped last time. His third place behind Al Kazeem looks better all the time and Universal gave the form of the ill-fated race a little boost today. If Ektihaam is over his fall I think he’s worth a tickle each way at 10/1
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Mopping up is hardly fair he won in Dubai and not at the BC most recently. When Aidan says we are now understanding how to ride him he means it. Joseph has to become professional at group one level. Once that happens he will get the best out of SNA. In the mean time we have a group one horse with Joseph riding him.
Mopping up is hardly fair he won in Dubai and not at the BC most recently. When Aidan says we are now understanding how to ride him he means it. Joseph has to become professional at group one level. Once that happens he will get the best out of SNA. In the mean time we have a group one horse with Joseph riding him.
He was evens, 8/11 and 3/10 for his Coronation Cup wins andy. That’s mopping up in my book.
Loads of horses have won at Meydan and not done much transferred to British turf. Terrific horse though he is he has never quite done it in the very best races and he is short enough for a horse who is 0 for 2 at Ascot, albeit behind class horses. The best of luck to him, he’s not a betting proposition for me though.
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I do not find myself often agreeing with Andyod, but I’m gonna side with him on this one. I might agree that his last two Coronation Cups were foregone conclusions (no disrespect to Australia and Hong Kong but Dunaden and Red Cadeaux aren’t Group 1 winning quality by European standards) but his first one certainly wasn’t. Midday was a top top class racemare and never a pushover in my books, irrespective of the odds (in fact St Nic may have been evens but she was also 5/4 in the race). Similarly, I’m no fan of the Breeders’ Cup, but the one he won was no poor edition with all of Sarafina, Midday and Sea Moon in behind. Even in Meydan, he got the better of Gentildonna, who had just defeated Orfevre a few months before, and of course St Nic was already very unlucky the previous year against Cirrus. I don’t know if he’s a good betting proposition, but bar the last two Coronation, mopping up his Group 1s he did not!
I do not find myself often agreeing with Andyod, but I’m gonna side with him on this one. I might agree that his last two Coronation Cups were foregone conclusions (no disrespect to Australia and Hong Kong but Dunaden and Red Cadeaux aren’t Group 1 winning quality by European standards) but his first one certainly wasn’t. Midday was a top top class racemare and never a pushover in my books, irrespective of the odds (in fact St Nic may have been evens but she was also 5/4 in the race). Similarly, I’m no fan of the Breeders’ Cup, but the one he won was no poor edition with all of Sarafina, Midday and Sea Moon in behind. Even in Meydan, he got the better of Gentildonna, who had just defeated Orfevre a few months before, and of course St Nic was already very unlucky the previous year against Cirrus. I don’t know if he’s a good betting proposition, but bar the last two Coronation, mopping up his Group 1s he did not!
Which race do you consider to be St Nick’s best win? I’m not sure I could pick one that represents his best ever piece of form. His Coronation hat trick would seem his career highlight but I feel it worth remembering he was favourite all three times. He has also been beaten favourite five times in his career, something worth bearing in mind I think. For me he’s just on the wrong side of the
classic horse-globetrotting money machine
dividing line to be up there with the best of them. He should cope with Battle Of Marengo if he turns up though
25/1 for him anyone?
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For a horse that has won over 3 million dollars on the world stage that is a lot for one on the wrong side of "a classic horse-globetrotting money machine."
St Nicholas Abbey has not won when racing around right handed tracks. Maybe he has a problem with going that way?
Incidentally the Racing Post Trophy was his best run in my opinion.
That’s part of the trouble for me andy because that was when he was two years old and now he’s six.
On the money front there is absolutely no doubt he’s been a fantastic earner for his connections but my point is that the very best horses are often not the ones with the biggest career earnings.
Class Horse/Cash Horse conundrum.
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St Nicholas Abbey has not won when racing around right handed tracks. Maybe he has a problem with going that way?
This is the crux of the matter, at a left handed track he’d be my pick without hesitation but his record going RH is so startlingly inferior to LH it can’t be a coincidence. Agree with Steve the ground is seemingly going to be against CDA so think it will pay to look outside these two…..not sure where yet!!
Neither StS nor Frankel were classic money making machines.Dylann Thomas on the contrary was a classic horse/globe trotting money making machine,(Third in the Derby, won the Arc.)earning nearly two million dollars during his career.
Don’t think Dylan Thomas was a classic money maker, as he was retired at 4.
Youmzain was a money maker / flag bearer for Channon. One win after 2006 until retired and yet almost £3.4m in prize money.
Red Cadeaux is a wonderful globe trotting horse for connections.Question – If an unentered horse were to be supplemented for this, do we think we’d have heard about it by now?
The course and distance win of Hillstar
at the Royal Meeting keeps bouncing around in my head, along with the surprising lack of a Stoute horse in the contest given his apparent affection for the race, and added to that the fact he’s owned by the Rothschilds, when it was Lady Rothschild who owned
Nathaniel
and took the same path with him before supplementing him late on to go on and win the thing as a 3 year old. He’d have a lot to find on figures but the weight for age allowance would come in handy and he seems to be improving with every run.
I’m just intrigued as to what everyone would think with regards to it being too late to hear of him being supplemented. Thoughts?
I think we would have heard if they were considering supplementing Hillstar because the 22nd of the month is the date for doing so. It costs £75000 to supplement and I just can’t see them paying that amount when he needs to find a lot of improvement to be competitive against older horses.
I see him as more of a St Leger horse and Battle Of Marengo did little for the form in the Grand Prix de Paris last Saturday.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think we would have heard if they were considering supplementing Hillstar because the 22nd of the month is the date for doing so. It costs £75000 to supplement and I just can’t see them paying that amount when he needs to find a lot of improvement to be competitive against older horses.
I see him as more of a St Leger horse and Battle Of Marengo did little for the form in the Grand Prix de Paris last Saturday.
Cheers Steve, it’s a fair point as he has been touted by many as more of a ‘Leger type’, but I do seem to remember a certain Stoute horse by the name of
Conduit
winning the Oldest Classic before winning this the following year, albeit a year older and wiser. It did start as a bit of a pipe-dream that I’ve probably just gotten a bit carried away with in all honesty, I’m the sad schmuck sat there on Betfair waiting for £6 to be matched@120
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