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Must be difficult to put ratings to the race. They went slow early so times won’t be a guide. Possible the run of the race favoured those racing prominently. Although can understand why Godolphin made it a test of speed.
I wouldn’t even try, I had wf beating sna and that is how it played out ignoring the winner. I’m not so sure wf would have beaten the winner had he stayed straight neither. Muddled race, easy to dismiss the form completely for me. I have no doubt that if you ran the race again at Sandown or even the Curragh, wf would beat Nathanial convincingly.
I don’t know if a horse who doesn’t like the track should hang so badly, wouldn’t he just remain straight at a lesser level? Sadly, when Workforce hasn’t shown any tendencey in the past; suspect a physical problem.
Agree, if Workforce had remained straight, can’t say he’d have definitely won.
Value Is EverythingWhat a desperately sad race. My friend and I screamed when Rewilding went down and didn’t even watch the finish of the race. Such a tragedy. And a strange race. I think I read that Workforce was struck into, which lead to his drifting. But little else matters apart from Rewilding. RIP.
Kudos to John Gosden for a classy, sympathetic and informative response to Rewilding’s fall, William Buick as well.
Sad sad sad sad for Rewilding. Sad for Joseph,still a boy. When will Aidan get real and appoint a jockey for the big ones?Today will cost them.Take all the errors Joseph made and put Fallon up and figure it out.Congrats to Buick on a masterful ride.Two defeats in a row for Workforce,how does he stack up now?Too many excuses all around.
Godolphin weren’t trying to get Workforce to pull. Debussy has only ever won left-handed and hasn’t even placed going right-handed. Clearly hated it. This season has been less satisfying for me than any other I can remember. So many good races spoiled one way or another. The leading BBC male hasn’t got a clue about horse racing, the papers will give the sport another colossal bashing in the morning and again a load of people will have been put off the sport who may have been in attendance. Every single iota about today’s race was awful. Can’t even say the winner put up a good performance because I don’t think he did. He’s bred to be a 2-miler and needed 12f to win a maiden.
I suppose I have.Ginger.Tricky to change at 78.I always play the age card! My heroes are from antiquity,Molony,Marshall, Burns,Smirk,Elliot,Richards, Sime.hard to find their likes nowadays.
Godolphin weren’t trying to get Workforce to pull. Debussy has only ever won left-handed and hasn’t even placed going right-handed. Clearly hated it. This season has been less satisfying for me than any other I can remember. So many good races spoiled one way or another. The leading BBC male hasn’t got a clue about horse racing, the papers will give the sport another colossal bashing in the morning and again a load of people will have been put off the sport who may have been in attendance. Every single iota about today’s race was awful. Can’t even say the winner put up a good performance because I don’t think he did. He’s bred to be a 2-miler and needed 12f to win a maiden.
With respect, I can’t agree with much of your post Z, except the part of Racing getting a bashing in the press tomorrow.
I think it has been a terrific year (before today) Cheltenham Gold Cup, Frankel and the Eclipse for example.
Personally I have regarded Nathaniel as the best 3yo in Europe (betting wiithout Frankel obviously) for some time and whilst it is difficult to measure his worth today your conclusion that he didn’t put up a good performance is impossible to sustain.
He is emphatically not bred to be a 2 miler…he is bred to be a 12 furlong horse and that is what he is…by breeding, by form and in confirmation.I been put off the sport for a long period after today.
It was disgusting sight. Horrific.
The race was a farce as was the pace.
I just sick to the teeth of this so-called sport.
I just am fuming at what was supposed to be a massive day in Racing turned out to be a another joke. People who bash racing are right to bash racing. I wouldnt have paid money to watch that piss today and the betting. What happened Ryan Moore on the odds on favorite in the fillie’s race who was backed off the boards and finished last.
Who would waste their time with this garbage.
I been put off the sport for a long period after today.
It was disgusting sight. Horrific.
The race was a farce as was the pace.
I just sick to the teeth of this so-called sport.
I just am fuming at what was supposed to be a massive day in Racing turned out to be a another joke. People who bash racing are right to bash racing. I wouldnt have paid money to watch that piss today and the betting. What happened Ryan Moore on the odds on favorite in the fillie’s race who was backed off the boards and finished last.
Who would waste their time with this garbage.
What is it you’re so fed up with a freak accident or the fact that you are (presumably) struggling to read races and pick winners?
Godolphin weren’t trying to get Workforce to pull. Debussy has only ever won left-handed and hasn’t even placed going right-handed. Clearly hated it. This season has been less satisfying for me than any other I can remember. So many good races spoiled one way or another. The leading BBC male hasn’t got a clue about horse racing, the papers will give the sport another colossal bashing in the morning and again a load of people will have been put off the sport who may have been in attendance. Every single iota about today’s race was awful. Can’t even say the winner put up a good performance because I don’t think he did. He’s bred to be a 2-miler and needed 12f to win a maiden.
I agree, Carson doesn’t even know that …
1- Workforce won last year’s Arc
2- York is a left-handed track
3- Sandown is a right-handerBalding made him look utterly stoopid today.
I didn’t even have a bet in the race or on 4 legged animals in a few weeks.
But what was that….was that a King George, it was a farce, no pace. No pace?….A horse dying in the straight.
How more fed up can you be if that is one of the highlights of the flat campaign.
I didn’t even have a bet in the race or on 4 legged animals in a few weeks.
But what was that….was that a King George, it was a farce, no pace. No pace?….A horse dying in the straight.
How more fed up can you be if that is one of the highlights of the flat campaign.
There doesn’t HAVE TO be pace in a race can’t understand why that irritates you so much. It was unsatisfactory I agree I backed St Nicholas Abbey so the race was hardly a highlight for me but thats the nature of the sport.
Rewilding was a tragic accident, horrible but its natural for a horse to run just one of those freak things it happens in fields every day. It isn’t the fault of horse racing.
pace to racing is what Messi is to Barcelona.
You dont’t have either and you get funny results.
Nathaniel obviously is a very good animal but lets face it all the other 4 rivals were pulling far to hard.
What were they doing on Debussy??….wasn’t he the pacemaker??.
For all the hype is was so disappointing.
Can’t even say the winner put up a good performance because I don’t think he did. He’s bred to be a 2-miler and needed 12f to win a maiden.
He is emphatically not bred to be a 2 miler…he is bred to be a 12 furlong horse and that is what he is…by breeding, by form and in confirmation.
Galileo x damsires with a stamina index of 9.1 or less has produced;
Rip Van Winkle
New Approach
Cape Blanco
Frankel
Red Rocks
Teofilo
Kite Wood
Lily of the Valley
Lush Lashes
Cima de TriompheI think we can all agree that they are predominantly speed horses, correct? All won at least 1 Group 1 between 7 and 10f. Red Rocks the only one who didn’t achieve that (won the Man O War over 11f)
And now Galileo x damsires with a stamina index of 9.5 or more;
Soldier of Fortune
Sans Frontieres
Sixties Icon
Midas Touch
Age of Aquarius
Gan Amhras
Seville
Alandi
Mahler
Purple MoonRather different this time, being that only one of those horses has won a Group 1 at less than 13f.
Nathaniel’s damsire is Silver Hawk (just like Seville), who carries a stamina index of 11.0.
So Nathaniel is a 3/4 brother to the St. Leger favourite and another horse named Aristocrat who, just like Nathaniel, needed a 12f maiden to get off the mark.
And just look at his half-brothers. Percussionist. A Yorkshire Cup winner and subsequent hurdler. Echoes in Eternity, a Park Hill winner. Playful Act, a Lancashire Oaks winner. Petara Bay, 4th in the Northumberland Plate the other day. Changing Skies, a not-bad animal now running in America whose only victory in Europe in 9 starts came in a 10f maiden on his 5th career start. And Monterey, finished 8th in the Queen’s Vase.
So despite the correlation of Galileo x damsires with a high stamina index and despite every single one of his half-siblings needing a stamina test to produce their best, you don’t think he’s bred to be an out-and-out stayer?
It will be humiliating for his owner and trainer when he’s off the bridle 4 or 5 out in the Arc.
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