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Why wont
Albertas run
have a go with his new catch me if you can tactics Fist? Obviously soft ground and he"s wasting his time but on Good ground he has e/w prospects and he"s a better horse now than 2 yrs ago when he was 2nd!
Geez paint me grey and call me Destert Orchid
Not quite catch me if you can tactics Gord. Wasn’t the worst idea Jonjo ever had when they decided to lie up with the pace at Cheltenham over 2m5f with a horse who he knew stayed a lot further.Never looked like getting beat at Aintree using the same tactics at Aintree over 2m4
By all accounts Kauto Star is already back in work looking as good as ever so let’s asssume he going to arrive there fit and well.
Keep in mind 2 years back AR ran the race of his life in the King George but never raised gallop for the rest of the season. last year he was never really put into the race AP was very easy on him and he had a great season.
The 2nd 3rd and 4th last year never won a race between them after their excersions. Trying to beat Kauto round Kampton has it’s price.Whatever is going on in Jonjo’s head will dictate what happens but I doubt if pushing Alberta’s Run to peak fitness, during the wet season, to try and win the King George will be something he’d do while Kauto Star is reported fit and well. The Betfair Chase could be a different ball game. No Kauto Star, Imperial Commander can be inconsistant and he loves the track.
At the end of the day Trevor Hemmings is the man, what Nicky Henderson has to say regarding BP will be a factor as will conditions.
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Why don’t you think the Hemmings pair run Fist? Followed Burtons Port all last year, like him a lot!
I have an account, hopefully wins at Down Royal, then may lay 400 off at hopefully the 4/6 mark, just is it me, but I can not see him getting beat at all, he OWNS Kempton!
I said I din’t think he would run both. Bad enough running one that’s got no chance without running two.
Depends on what main targets they have in mind for them I suppose.
Sounds agood idea to me..a bird in the hand as they say.
Mind you I’m with you on Kauto can’t see anything getting within striking distance of him let alone beat him.
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I’ve had my usual AP bet on Kauto and can’t see him being beat but as Gazza has pointed out Imperial Commander will run in the King George. I just heard NTD confirm it and the 14/1 as inconsistant as he can be is way too big to ignore.
The mistake he made last year was totally out of charachter and he must be the biggest danger to Kauto.
He hasn’t perfomed well at Kempton before but had excuses both times. Despite going the other way I don’t accept he could run so well att Haydock but not at Kempton. Class horses overcome these things and he lacks nothing in that department.
Gold Cup winner 14/1 a Feltham winner 8 seconds slower than Kauto Star in the King George 6/1 doesn’t compute.
Imperial Commander 14/1 ew looks a cracking bet.
Imperial Commander 14/1 ew looks a cracking bet.
There are many reasons i love reading Fists Posts, he knows how horse racing operates better than most,he always gives his own unique style of opinion,in depth and accurate and then he comes out with the above!
Like i said all last year much to poor old Reet Hards dismay! 
Imperial commander
is a Gold Cup horse,he has No chance of winning a King George even if Kauto star doesn"t run! Kempton is just too fast for him,he is a Cheltenham specialist!
Imperial Commander 14/1 ew looks a cracking bet.
There are many reasons i love reading Fists Posts, he knows how horse racing operates better than most,he always gives his own unique style of opinion,in depth and accurate and then he comes out with the above!
Like i said all last year much to poor old Reet Hards dismay! Imperial commander
is a Gold Cup horse,he has No chance of winning a King George even if Kauto star doesn"t run! Kempton is just too fast for him,he is a Cheltenham specialist!
With all due respect, Your Majesty, I can see where he’s coming from. Bear in mind he survived a pretty terrible error to finish in fifth last year, second or third this year is not beyond the realms of possibility.
He could be one for the forecast (along with Forpadydeplasterer, Long Run, Kempes and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh an’ all), but just that.
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So don't run, just like the others always do
You may be the King of Ante-Post, Sire, but even you will have to bow before The King of King(George)s, come Boxing Day!
If Kauto Star wins his 5th King George i will certainly bow before him Sir! History tells me otherwise though!
This years King George has the prospect of being amazing!
If they run…
Kauto Star
Nacarat
Long Run
Razor RoyaleThen we’re giving 4 good horses who have won at course and distance which screams competitive. I know some of you will be thinking "Razor Royale… what?" but it’ll be the same people who were thinking last year "Nacarat… what?" and look at the way he ran.
I am really looking forward to this race and with the likely prospect of Weapons Amnesty, What a Friend, Imperial Commander, Barbers Shop, Madison Du Berlais we are looking at a seriously attractive race.
I hope Deep Purple is back to his best soon after the incident in the King George last year because i know he can run a big race. And come on lets give The Listener a shout!
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Imperial Commander 14/1 ew looks a cracking bet.
There are many reasons i love reading Fists Posts, he knows how horse racing operates better than most,he always gives his own unique style of opinion,in depth and accurate and then he comes out with the above!
Like i said all last year much to poor old Reet Hards dismay! Imperial commander
is a Gold Cup horse,he has No chance of winning a King George even if Kauto star doesn"t run! Kempton is just too fast for him,he is a Cheltenham specialist!
With all due respect, Your Majesty, I can see where he’s coming from. Bear in mind he survived a pretty terrible error to finish in fifth last year, second or third this year is not beyond the realms of possibility.
He could be one for the forecast (along with Forpadydeplasterer, Long Run, Kempes and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh an’ all), but just that.
You may be the King of Ante-Post, Sire, but even you will have to bow before The King of King(George)s, come Boxing Day!
If he’s King he must be Ferdinand VII and I must be Napoleon
You come away with some crackers your majesty but Imperial Commander is a Gold Cup horse?…..it’s not a bad negative to have to your name and your assumption the course is too fast for him holds no water.
I don’t kow how many times I’v heard people saying a 2m4f horse will get the trip in the King George. I’m still waiting.
As far as Gold Cup horses go let’s have a think! There was Cottage Rake, Mill House, Arkle, Mandarin, Oh! and here’s one The Dickler, Silver Buck, Burrough Hill Lad, The Fellow, Desert Orchid of course, then there would be See More Business, Best Mate and Kicking King to add to the list. If I missed any let me know.
I suppose we can throw in Kuato Star he’s not realy a Gold Cup horse he’s only won it twice
There’s no doubt he has had a love afair with Cheltenham but he won up at Newcastle over 2m4f beating my old pal Nevertika by 20 lengths and he was no slowboat.
Add to that he had enough speed to leave everything miles behind at Haydock and run Kauto to a nose and would no doubt have won had he not blundered badly at the 2nd last.
So Kempton is to fast for him is it?
Every year horses get strung out like the washing some of them have lots of toe some of them depend more on Stamina. Almost ever horse that has won the race had a combimation of both.
Barring mistakes like he made last year Imperial Commander has got to be right in there with every chance and on all known form the only possble danger to Kauto Star
It is not inconceivable that Kauto Star could make it five in a row, but I fancy fancy Long Run, who is a horse of great promise. I just hope Nicky Henderson convinces master Waley-Cohen to step down.
Imperial Commander doesn’t win races in december !
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Barring mistakes like he made last year Imperial Commander has got to be right in there with every chance and on all known form the only possble danger to Kauto Star
Another fine Post Fist,until the last bit! We"ll see?
The only dangers to Kauto Star are age finally catching up with him or one of the 18 fences he’ll face at Kempton. He is the greatest NH horse of the last 20+ years, he loves Kempton and he
should
wipe the floor with his challengers on boxing day.
KG#5 for Kauto!
I liked Long Run since I first saw him after hearing rumours of this ‘freakish’ horse, Denman-esque in my eyes, Its perhaps naivety of youth, I just can not see him taking on and out tanking Kauto at Kempton.
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Don’t think you’re being naive at all met. Thing about Long Run is he had never been tested and when he was he found ziltch off the bridle.
I can see him tanking along pushing the leaders for the first 2 miles and the sheer pace of the race will have most of them in trouble but when Kauto Star and Imperial Commander are set alight there’s no way will he be able to go with them.
Ruby will want to put Kauto some daylight between Kauto and Imperial Commander between the 4th and 3rd last because he’s knows he’s a helluva tough horse to be fighting out a finish with.
I’ll never forget how well AP was going on Exotic Dancer 5 out in the 2007 race and he was left gobsmacked by the speed Kauto showed that day.
2 Years later he improved on that winning the race by a distance and people think he might be deteriorating???
Kaut Star will be around 4/6 on the day if he shows anything like his old form in Ireland and I could think of hundreds of sdds on shots I would rather be backing against.
Long Run’s chances of actually winning go from zero to none IMO and at 6/1 he’s an awful EW bet. If I fancied him to be in the shake up instead of having 100 ew e.g I’d have 200 for place at around 5/4 with Betfair.
However it is a horse race and stranger things have happened to so to each his own.
Looks like we can add Sizing Europe to the starting line-up of the King George, providing he stays the trip in races prior to the Kempton meeting.
Looks like this years’ King George, could be excellent.
He should "stay" the trip no bother on Thursday because the opposition will be moderate at best – can’t see Pandorama running given the likely ground.
We won’t learn that he truly stays until he takes on proper horses over three miles. Down Royal may be on the agenda for him after Thursday.
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I think it will be a crying shame if they subject Sizing Europe to running in the King George.
I’d rather see him out there enjoying himself kicking backside at 2 miles and then go for the QMCC or even the Ryanair but the King George is a huge jump in distance when taking on these type of horses.
I can understand their thinking though. He’s got an amazingly high cruising speed jumps realy well and has without dowubt a touch of class,
Unfortunately all of that can fly out of the window in a top class race if you don’t get the trip 100% and I can’t see it. Could be wrong but he was so fast over 2 miles and although he did seem to get 2m4f 3 miles looks a no no to me.
I think he’ll get three miles no problem. I’ve always got the impression that he was crying out for further and Andy Lynch has always thought of him as a 3 miler. The first thing he said the first time he got off him after smashing Harchibald last year was "Gold Cup horse".
His resolve in a finish is something that would always concern me over any trip though. Far too often he’s found zilch off the bridle – Leopardstown ’08 behind Sublimity, Punchestown ’09 behind Solwhit, Punchestown ’10 behind Golden Silver.
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