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I don’t really get the Waldgeist ground thing? 4 of his 6 best RPR rated runs have come with the word soft in the description and he’s won a Grp2 by 3L on soft. Even Andre Fabre said the ground wasn’t an issue at Ascot last time out. In fact he has never run on ground GF. Are you guys saying as a 5yr old whose never run on GF ground, he’s suddenly going to improve for it or are you just hoping he squeaks into a place? Guess he looks a bit overpriced for a place at the moment.
It’s a blatent no bet race, is Waldgeist even a certain runner? Fabre’s recent quotes suggest he is but i thought he’d be shorter than 20s if so?
He won a G1 as a 2yo on soft Frenchy if the RP going desc is correct as Timeform suggest it was g/s. Other than that, his 4 runs on soft or worse have resulted in losses? The race he won at Chantilly in which the RP desc as soft, timeform go good to soft. Basically i think he doesn’t want soft which it was at Ascot, and his ride at Ascot left him a heck of a lot to do on that ground.
According to Timeform as well, he’s won his two runs on a G/F surface which again the RP report as good ground.My view on him is he’s probably best on good ground rather than either extremes, but it’s worth looking at timeforms going, as they are more accurate
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!All form lines and common sense point firmly in the direction of Enable . She looks the most obvious and likely winner .
However , The KG & QE has thrown up a few shock results over the years and I’m hoping this could be one of them .
I have backed Anthony Van Dyke ( 7/1 ) with a saver on Crystal Ocean – the only other horses in the field that have the ability to lower Enable’s colours .
The weight for age allowance that Derby winner AVD receives from his main older rivals just might be enough to tip the scales in his favour .
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Andre fabre has said this season he finally realised waldgeist likes good ground
Definitely remember reading that
And hes forgotten more than I will ever know about horse racing so I will go with what hes says
“I think going back to a mile and a half and the faster ground will help him. Will it be enough to win? Probably not, but I’m sure he is going to run a good race.”
Fabre quote on waldgeist for this
Thanks Jack, wasn’t factoring in the useless ground descriptions in France! Even at his best he won’t win though. It’s a pure match up between Crystal Ocean and Enable for me. 1-2 I’m sure
Yes agreed, that’s why it’s a no bet race
Even though waldgeist is tempting at 20/1 you are only betting for 1 place really
As just cant see both enable and crystal ocean not being in the 3
Maybe if he is a good price in the w/o enable market I could be tempted into a small wager if that market is 3 places
But how good is Crystal Ocean on decent ground against Arc horses from last year? Looking forward to seeing. I’m not convinced by him yet I might be Saturday. I don’t wanna see rain.
His RPR figures since last year on GF are 124,121,127,123. Surely that says he isn’t ground dependent whatever it is on Saturday?
In fact his RPR figure from last years race on GF is 127. That’s way better than Waldgiest
I don’t take any notice of RPR’s only official ratings and even then I don’t always believe ’em.
You guess then?
I think RPRs can be debated at times, especially the odd 1, or marking up and down a bit, but not 4. If Crystal Ocean has recorded 4 above 120 on GF, he goes on the ground. No debate. What he’s best on can be debated.
Spoiler tactics in place potentially from Ballydoyle? It hasn’t been working using just Hunting Horn as a pacemaker so they’ve chucked 3 of them in there knowing that Crystal Ocean and Enable will both probably want to sit handy in behind the pace they could try and trap at least one of them against the rail making AVD’s task that little bit easier? There must have been other more realistic options coming up certainly for Magic Wand against her own sex. Hopefully I’m just being overly cynical, I’d hate to see what could be the race of the season ruined by one of the principals being unable to showcase their true ability.
To be honest I always find these tactical scenarios fascinating and I think they bring added tension to the race. I also rarely find Ballydoyle doing outrageous things with their horses in races and I think they get a bit of a bad rep on this actually!
As far as Waldgeist goes, I’d be less concerned about ground, more concerned about racing away from France.
Very consistent in his own back yard, but:4th in Irish Derby.
2nd beaten in a Group 3 at Ascot.
4th in a German Group 1.
5th Breeders Cup.
5th Hong Kong.
3rd Didn’t exactly excel in Prince Of Wales, beaten 4 1/2 lengths by Crystal Ocean.imo Although generally runs respectably, reserves his very best to France.
Value Is Everythingthey could try and trap at least one of them against the rail making AVD’s task that little bit easier?
Like Capri trying to box in Stradivarius? That went well….
Part of me hopes they try to do this to Enable, just to watch Frankie slip the net. While he’s doing it he could probably afford to take one hand off the reins to give them the finger and invite them to hurry up and kiss Enable’s arse before it disappears over the horizon.Like Capri trying to box in Stradivarius? That went well….
Part of me hopes they try to do this to Enable, just to watch Frankie slip the net. While he’s doing it he could probably afford to take one hand off the reins to give them the finger and invite them to hurry up and kiss Enable’s arse before it disappears over the horizon.Haha! That’s why for me it adds to the excitement. Frankie, the master on fire this season knowing he has to combat the ballydoyle tactics as well and there’s no doubt that added to the tension and excitement of the Gold Cup. It depends who your money is on really but if a neutral and as an advert for the sport (and let’s face it, there’s enough talk about trying to attract people these days), then it’s great fun to watch. Stradivarius did momentarily look in trouble before Frankie got him out and he was roared home!
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