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I’ve donated plenty to the wagering industry off Darjina (Queen Anne) and Tartan Bearer (Irish Derby).
It would be foolhardy to oppose the Aidan O’Brien trained favourite.
Duke Of Marmalade for me… again.
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Bosranic has got this one spot on in my opinion. If the Duke stay’s he wins – I have to say I was quite surprised when they said they were stepping him up in trip. He’s not really bred for it.
If Phoenix Tower is Listed class what does that make Cesare, Tariq, Haradasun, Creachadoir, Pipedreamer? Listed as well? Handicappers maybe?
And Arabian Gleam?
Its probably fair enough to say that (Creachadoir apart maybe) none of the above are exactly stand out performers. We keep hearing that DOM has "improved" this year, but visual impression aside, does the form book really indicate that?
Beating Phoenix Tower impressively at Ascot is one thing, but the proximity of Stotsfold to the second, does take the edge off the form for me
Wasn’t it quoted somewhere that either O’Brien or Murtagh said that the Duke was the best horse at Ballydoyle?
I was encouraged by Hala Beks (backed him in the Derby so i am biased, and was delighted to see him trot up) return and could see him being a player in Group 1 10-12f races. Can he be supplemented for the KG?
Imagine the story – forgotten Maktoum horse beats Coolmores Nr 1.
Duke Of Marmalade is the best horse in the field.
He finished fourth in two Guineas before running Excellent Art to within 1L in the St James’ Palace. He ran a fine race in defeat behind Epsom Derby winner Authorized in the Juddmonte before finding Dylan Thomas only 1 1/2L too good in the Irish Champion and Ramonti, arguably the best miler in the world at the time, just 1L too good in the QEII.
That form is by far the best in the field, .
As oppoesed to youmzain who ran dylan thomas to a photo in the arc and in the process beat a pethoraof group1 winners, including last years derby and irish derby winners, the GPDP, he has also beaten a breeders cup turf and man o war stakes winner.
IMO Youmzain is proven over the trip (but wants it good or worse) and has achieved a higher level of form (on several occasions) than Duke Of Marmalade has yet achieved, If the ground isnt gd-fm or better in the king george DOM is almost certain to be beaten (because he needs fast ground to stay 1m4f) and with all the confiedence behind him it will no doubt be a real result for the bookies.
I expect Youmzain to win this race if ridden the same way. I seriously think the key to this horse has been discovered.
We keep hearing that DOM has "improved" this year, but visual impression aside, does the form book really indicate that?
Beating Phoenix Tower impressively at Ascot is one thing, but the proximity of Stotsfold to the second, does take the edge off the form for me
Without question for me. Winning the Prince of Wales’s Stakes by 4 lengths is a pretty big step up on finishing behind the likes of Ramonti and Excellent Art. Regarding Stotsfold, rarely has he had his optimum conditions like he did at Ascot. A strongly-run 10f, where he can settle and get cover (he tends to pull too hard in lower grade races) has always been what he wants, as he showed in the PofW and confirmed in the Eclipse. It’s hardly as thoug he’s finished close up though is it, beaten about 6 lengths in the PofW.
Ramontis race was over a mile. The question is whether he has actually improved on his 10f form
Youmzain won last start – beat Soldier Of Fortune comfortably although the margin suggests otherwise. Forgotten already?
I think Youmzain has actually improved over the Winter. It would be his last wave of improvement surely, but he has proven that cutting Dylan Thomas out of the picture and there’s an Arc and King George in the bag from last year. Now it’s time to step up.
7/2 isn’t a price to latch onto immediately, so I will wait.
I dont think Youmzain beat SOF that comfortably at all. SOF is a galloper and got caught for toe but he was grabbing back ground near the line. Couldn’t see Duke Of Marmalade being done for pace given his form over a mile. If he stays he romps in imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8feCATCox94
I would suggest you watch again. Looks comfortable enough for me. SOF was well placed and simply not good enough
He seems to be beating Red Rock Canyon by further every time they meet. He beat 2 subsequent Group One winners in the Ganay, he smashed up the Prince of Wales field who went on to confirm the form in the Eclipse. If you think that form is on a par with getting beaten 4+ lengths in the Juddmonte, that’s your prerogative.
I personally am throwing the Prince Of Wales’ Stakes form out the door. Duke Of Marmalade won impressively but it was more an obligation to beat them by a considerable margin than just sheer brilliance standing out alone.
I would say Mount Nelson is 4-8 lengths adrift of Duke Of Marmalade. The Coral-Eclipse cannot do any justice to the Duke’s case.
He beat Finsceal Beo by 1 1/4 lengths in the Tattersalls Gold Cup prior to Royal Ascot. Those behind her were Group 3 class at best. And then Finsceal Beo came out in the Pretty Polly Stakes and gave everyone an insight that she’s not a middle-distance filly.
As for the Ganay – Sageburg was debuting in Group 1 company and probably needed the experience and has now proven to be more effective at a mile and/or a mile and change, and Saddex (putting him in the King George picture) is stretching it as a mainstream Group 1 performer.
If the current King George markets reflect a likely field (take out Moonstone) then Duke Of Marmalade’s record so far warrants enough respect to give this race a shake anyway – but against Youmzain, and even Ask finding 12 furlongs, he’s not anywhere near a proposition betting-wise at odds-on, but realistically can be beaten!
And if you think that the eclipse was anything other than a group three masquerading as a group one thats your problem
As for those he beat in the Ganay, you could hardly describe Saddex’s subsequent head win from Pressing in Italy as out of the top drawer. Sageburg went well next time but the Ganay were seasonale reappearances. You have to be cautious with that form
Red Rock Canyon? Youre having a laugh arent you. He was a pacemaker FFS. Since when would you use that as a proper yardstick
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