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Heartbreaking for connections of the second but after seeing the head on just now i think it was fair enough.
Stewards’ secretary gives a two minute explanation for the altered result in an interview to Equidia in the parade ring. When can we see that here!
Been watching a bit of Basher Watts on you tube , seems a decent bloke and I find his videos interesting , honest days punting is well named as he does give the ups and downs , his video of winning today and the excitement is great , feel sorry for him and his syndicate ,Fellowes and Shoemark too but 2nd fantastic effort , what a run it was but looking at head on i think it was right decision and doubt an appeal will overturn stewards .
Hopefully Shes Perfect picks up a group 1 for them .The jockey awarded the race hits his horse twice with the whip, drops it and then proceeds to hit his horse 12 times on the neck with the palm of his hand.
Perhaps someone can explain to me how hitting the horse with whip & hand 14 times wins you the race?!!
“Perhaps someone can explain to me how hitting the horse with whip & hand 14 times wins you the race?!!”
Depends what the rules say. If there’s nothing in the rules that mentions striking with something other than the whip an excessive number of times my guess is the appeal won’t be successful, with maybe a slap on the wrist for the jockey (fine or some time off or both).
Very much doubt the Rules would have anything in them that would have thought to take into account a jockey dropping his whip and then using his hand to slap it down the shoulder of a horse.
Not sure how/what an Appeals Panel can realistically do in that respect if there is nothing in the Rules stating you can’t use your hand and make contact on any part of a horse in a race, I have seen a jockey after dropping his whip wave their hand in the horse’s line of sight (like waving the whip without using it) to encourage it but not what Mickael did……….may result in a re-wording of the whip rule going forward.
Would be an interesting test case when/if heard.
I decided to read/skim through the most recent whip consultation report. With the mountain of information available on there I am surprised there isn’t anything specific about losing the whip and hitting the horse.
The closest I could get to finding an answer was this little tidbit:‘Jabbing the horse in the mouth, kicking or striking the
horse in any way when not mounted, or any behaviour
towards the horse whether mounted or not which the
Stewards consider
to be unacceptable.’I infer that to mean an action taken by a jockey can be punished whether or not there is something specific in the rules relating to said action. I would think in this context the use of the hands would be at worst frowned upon but it’s the amount of times he hits the horse that could be a deciding factor here.
Appeal seems to be going in , maybe they go whole hog , DQ winner for smacking horse with hand , and Shes Perfect for interence that started it anyway as Coolmore horse was pushed out , promote 3rd to first .
Weaver tap dancing on the issue on ITV right now (no surprise there) and for some reason highlighting the argument that they were saying that if Mickael hadn’t dropped his whip he would have won……completely ignoring the fact that She’s Perfect drifting left into the Coolmore horse who then also drifted left to avoid further contact which had a knock on affect of the French horse being forced almost into the centre of the course (maybe 5 or 6 horse widths wider than where she was positioned when she started her challenge).
The only way I can see the result being altered again is based on if they view Mickael using his hand to continuously slap his mount down the shoulder as akin to him using a whip but that is a very murky area and could set a presidence as it is unlikely that that particular action is covered in any of the existing rules of racing.
I can see Kieran Shoemark’s luck changing in the Dante today.
If you go to back a certainty always buy a return ticket.
Almost won for us, Chalk Jockey.
But tbh I think Shoemark overdid the waiting tactics again. Too intent on following Moore from the start and forgot about the other runners.I’ve backed Damysus again for The Derby, but tbh am hoping for a change of jockey.
Value Is EverythingI think KS been treated bit harshly however it was good to see Juddmonte have a Grp1 win after getting so close in two Guineas , its important for UK racing that operations like them have continued success . Families developed over many many years .
Cork All Star kindly alerted me to this thread. I just wanted to post in defece of Shoemark’s Newmarket ride. To be fair, I haven’t watched him enough to come to any conclusion about hos overall skills, but I’m in no doubt he was wrongly criticised for the Guineas ride.
I thought Tuesday produced a well deserved exoneration of Shoemark, who was accused of lying too far out of his ground at Newmarket and asking for his effort too late. Keane was even farther out of his ground and asked Field Of Gold at least as ‘late’ as KS did, possibly later.
The difference of course was that on Tuesday Field Of Gold did what KS had expected him to do at Newmarket. Instead, the horse put his head in the air, wandered around, and took 350 yards to find any acceleration. Whether it was the odd intricacies of the dip at Newmarket where furrows, like waves, run across the track, bamboozling some horses, who knows?
As you allude to, I am not sure we can really compare the two rides. Newmarket and Ascot are very different tracks*. I think Shoemark waited too long and William Buick got first run on him.
I stand by my view that it was an iffy ride rather than a terrible ride at Newmarket. The winner was certainly given a better ride by Buick.
Unfortunately it wasn’t the first iffy ride Shoemark had delivered, as this thread shows. He is a decent enough jockey but he is not in the first rank.
Nothing we say here is going to make any difference. Juddmonte was clearly dissatisfied with the ride and so was Gosden. Since the decision to replace Shoemark was taken, they have won three Group 1s together, so they will argue they have been vindicated.
Juddmonte clearly think highly of Colin Keane. Maybe they were going to put him under contract anyway and the Guineas speeded up the process?
*I saw Kieren Fallon interviewed recently. He said Fred Archer wrote in his autobiography that the Rowley Mile is the most difficult track in England to ride.
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