April 3, 2008 at 14:06 #155452NickcParticipant
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Between the 1970 Arc and Champion Stakes, Vincent O’Brien thought that Nijinsky was back to his best. If even he could be wrong about a horse’s well-being, so can Paul Nicholls.
In my opinion, Kauto Star at his best would have won today despite the misguided tactics.April 3, 2008 at 14:07 #155453AnonymousInactive
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He will be back – I would give him a long Summer from now (give up any thoughts of the Order of Merit if that was what they were chasing) and go again next year.
looked an incrediably tired animal from the second last though he did pick up a bit when Our Vic stormed up the home straight.
Not a true reflextion on the horse. tactically it was a nighmare and the GC took its toll. Would still fancy it for next years KG – whether Denman is running or not. He has put out to 5/1 for next years GCApril 3, 2008 at 14:07 #155454Young MickMember
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i’m absoloutley gutted, kauto didnt show what he was capable of there. You cant blame the trainer or the jockey because he wanted to make it a test of stamina knowing that our vic (Who was the only horse with decent form of late) didnt get the run of the race. And he didnt, kauto was looking to forge clear before the second last, but ploughed through it, Obviously it was the cheltenham run which had a lasting effect on the horse and he isnt finished and i refuse to jump on the band wagon. Kauto Star will be back next year as good as ever, hes ran far more races than denman this year and they have been much harder.
As a true supporter of kauto i do not think he has passed it and there are valid reasons for the tactics today, you may be able to claim he should have done this or that but at the end of the day, paul nicholls is a champion trainer and ruby walsh a great jockey and kauto star a special horse.
He who laughs last…
bring on next yearApril 3, 2008 at 14:07 #155455thedarkknightParticipant
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If they had already won the Order Of Merit, I don’t think the horse would have run today – In much the same way that I’m sure they wouldnt have run Azertyuiop at Sandown if they had secured the Trainer’s ChampionshipApril 3, 2008 at 14:08 #155457
I thought it was Clive Smith looking to end the season on a winning note, and giving the horse the pubic profile he deserves.
Surely a bit harsh Salse, although he did put in a hairy jump at the second last, and looked pretty bushed close home…April 3, 2008 at 14:10 #155460AidanMember
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Aidan, the problem with Kauto’s last two runs is Exotic Dancer who gives a solid look to the form. .
ED is not a "solid" guide in terms of form this season IMO.April 3, 2008 at 14:11 #155462Chris BMember
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Too soon after the Gold Cup, should have put him away for the season and brought him back fresh next season, 3 races in 47 days he’s just had..April 3, 2008 at 14:12 #155463
I think that the use of any single horse as a form guide puts one on shaky ground, and Exotic Dancer remains clearly well below what he has previously been capable of, for whatever reason.April 3, 2008 at 14:23 #155469aaronizneezParticipant
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I think that the use of any single horse as a form guide puts one on shaky ground, and Exotic Dancer remains clearly well below what he has previously been capable of, for whatever reason.
True, but it seems to have been OK to do that whilst Kauto Star was winning. We can’t take Monets Garden as a guide (what the hell was it doing in this race in the first place) as he doesn’t seem to get three miles over fences, so how about Gungadu a 161 rated chaser on the upgrade beaten 14 lengths and two diatances. I expect he’s ran below form as well. I suppose as they have all ran well below their best today it seems very fortunate for Our Vic to have won.April 3, 2008 at 14:26 #155473KalidorMember
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Kauto needs a long rest I think. This was a race he should have won with relative ease but due to some dodgy tactics and pish poor jumping he lost by a nose. This is not the classy Kauto we (most of us) know and love.April 3, 2008 at 14:27 #155474AnzumMember
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‘The race was too soon’
I think this statement is profoundly wrong. The horse beaten a nose after obliterating the 2nd last fence. Would have won comfortably if it wasn’t for that error.April 3, 2008 at 14:27 #155475AnonymousInactive
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Gungadu a 161 rated chaser on the upgrade beaten 14 lengths and two diatances. I expect he’s ran below form as well.
If he hasn’t, the first three are better than Arkle.April 3, 2008 at 14:31 #155477
Not fortunate aaron – he has put in the best performance on the day.
ED has been below his previous best for a while now (one wonders what he is still capable of) and KS probably shouldn’t have been running.
Our Vic ran as well as could have been expected (and possibly a bit better) and put in a very game run.
Monet’s Garden and Gungadu have both run poorly.April 3, 2008 at 14:37 #155479johnjdonoghueMember
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If they had already won the Order Of Merit, I don’t think the horse would have run today – In much the same way that I’m sure they wouldnt have run Azertyuiop at Sandown if they had secured the Trainer’s Championship
I agree and have posted my views last week on another thread. I do hope KS will not become another Azertyuiop.
JohnJ.April 3, 2008 at 14:45 #155484BulwarkMember
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One thing I strongly feel is that since that injury scare after his cheltenahm prep, Kauto Star has not been the same horse.
I hope he makes it back to his old self next season…
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