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i can only envisage RVW beating sea the stars in a race like the breeders cup classic
however without doubting mastercraftsmans battling abilities he lacks a finishing kick. No doubt he’ll be under pressure 2 furlongs from home and all one can see is sea the stars amble past him and score quite comfortably. As far as tartan bearer is concerned forget it.If Mastercraftsman beats Sea The Stars next week at York, I’ll start backing Jamie Spencer’s mounts again.
God forbid.
That’s how confident I am that it just won’t happen. I just cannot fathom out how this can happen over this extended mile and a quarter trip – especially if Sea The Stars has his favoured ground conditions.
I honestly think Mastercraftsman is being used as Ballydoyle’s sacrificial lamb in this instance. They know they will not beat Sea The Stars with this good, but plucky old miler – and are merely testing the water before Fame and Glory steps up to the plate once again.
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Far from being a sacrificial lamb, with a sprinter and a 10f horse as probable pacemakers, Ballydoyle seem to be going all out to win with Mastercraftsman. Can’t have that he’s just a miler either; even as a 2yo he looked a middle distance prospect, and nothing he has done since dispels the view that he’ll be better over 10f than 8.
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a sacrificial lamb? Oh come on "H" Aiden doesn’t send horses with no hope for a 600K race.
He could have sent Rip Van Winkle here but obviously thinks Mastercraftsman has more chance of lowering Sea the Stars colours at this trip.
He only beat Delegator by a short distance but he looked like he had loads left in the tank and had it been further I have no doubt he would have pulled away from him again. He’s won on heavy ground at a mile which again points to him getting this trip without any trouble.
I can’t see this race being anything more than a real ding dong battle and I know Mastercraftsman won’t quit……….I wouldn’t be as sure about Sea the Stars who for the first time in his life will be put under real pressure.
To be honest I’ve no time for Oxx he’s already shaking in his boots talking about it might rain ffs. The forecast is for sunshine with possible light drizzle which wouldn’t affect York in the slightest……..I reckon he’s hired red indians to do a rain dance in the hope he has an excuse not to go
If Mastercraftsman beats Sea The Stars next week at York, I’ll start backing Jamie Spencer’s mounts again.
God forbid.
.Watch out for when Jamie gets to ride Syrian then "H"!
A rare opportunity for me to agree with Fist – Sea The Stars has won on Heavy ground and won a Group 2 on Yielding. Connections constant ground concerns confuse me.
a sacrificial lamb? Oh come on "H" Aiden doesn’t send horses with no hope for a 600K race.
He could have sent Rip Van Winkle here but obviously thinks Mastercraftsman has more chance of lowering Sea the Stars colours at this trip.
He only beat Delegator by a short distance but he looked like he had loads left in the tank and had it been further I have no doubt he would have pulled away from him again. He’s won on heavy ground at a mile which again points to him getting this trip without any trouble.
I can’t see this race being anything more than a real ding dong battle and I know Mastercraftsman won’t quit……….I wouldn’t be as sure about Sea the Stars who for the first time in his life will be put under real pressure.
To be honest I’ve no time for Oxx he’s already shaking in his boots talking about it might rain ffs. The forecast is for sunshine with possible light drizzle which wouldn’t affect York in the slightest……..I reckon he’s hired red indians to do a rain dance in the hope he has an excuse not to go
Oxx is without doubt the most open and honest of the Irish flat trainers Fist. He’s not one for bullsh1te and if he has concerns about Sea The Stars on anything softer than good ground then I’d have no reasons to doubt that those concerns are genuine.
To be fair the Group 2 on yielding was full of crap. Masterofthehorse and Mourayan I think. Masterofthehorse would have won with a more positive ride as well.
He was distinctly unimpressive that day alright Zarkava. He’d have eaten that lot on quicker going.
The only way Mastercraftsman can beat Sea The Stars is if they run in boggy ground at the Curragh
Straightforward race for me, with an obvious outcome.
I too, believe Mastercraftsman is simply a junkyard dog of a miler and haven’t felt inclined to believe he will be any better at 1m2f.
Since RVW is the superior horse, I think Sea The Stars will have Mastercraftsman covered without using too much of the tank.
The use of two completely different types of horses for pacemakers gives the impression this could be tactical warfare of the highest order. Should be a fun race to watch and to review afterwards.
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He’s a junkyard dog period Myles. In fact he’s so competitive I doubt if he would notice the difference between 1m2f and 1m. All this horse knows is how to fight. Reminds me of little Monksfields epic battles with Sea Pigeon when he runs.
You say he may not improve for the extra 2f but why would he have to apart from every day improvement we know to expect from a horse trained by OAB? If he has improved 1-2lbs since he last ran that’s enough to put him slap bang next to Sea the Stars.
If you think Sea the Stars only needs to turn up to win I think your going to get one big surprise and this is going to be one very close run race.
Mick Kinane was asked to win the Eclipse by as far as he could by Oxx and Kinane laughed at him saying he will never win any race by more than 1 1/2 lengths……so I doubt if there will be any sudden woosh of acceleration that will see Mastercraftsman in serious trouble. No doubt he’ll quicken up but if he can’t put distance between himself and tis horse he’ll be in big trouble IMO
I don’t expect STS to leave Mastercraftsman trailing in his wake, by all means.
There’s no truckload of brilliance in either horse – just character and class, but whilst I would find it hard to separate the two on toughness alone, it’s the class factor on a sound surface which gives STS the edge.
If STS is stalking Mastercraftsman on the straight – in the manner of Vision d’Etat vs. Tartan Bearer at Royal Ascot – I can’t see Mastercraftsman holding off the relentless pressure of STS.
You should know, though – after the St. James’ Palace – that I will sell Mastercraftsman short yet again.
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a sacrificial lamb? Oh come on "H" Aiden doesn’t send horses with no hope for a 600K race.
He could have sent Rip Van Winkle here but obviously thinks Mastercraftsman has more chance of lowering Sea the Stars colours at this trip.
He only beat Delegator by a short distance but he looked like he had loads left in the tank and had it been further I have no doubt he would have pulled away from him again. He’s won on heavy ground at a mile which again points to him getting this trip without any trouble.
I can’t see this race being anything more than a real ding dong battle and I know Mastercraftsman won’t quit……….I wouldn’t be as sure about Sea the Stars who for the first time in his life will be put under real pressure.
To be honest I’ve no time for Oxx he’s already shaking in his boots talking about it might rain ffs. The forecast is for sunshine with possible light drizzle which wouldn’t affect York in the slightest……..I reckon he’s hired red indians to do a rain dance in the hope he has an excuse not to go
Oxx is without doubt the most open and honest of the Irish flat trainers Fist. He’s not one for bullsh1te and if he has concerns about Sea The Stars on anything softer than good ground then I’d have no reasons to doubt that those concerns are genuine.
Then he’s been a bit of a fool has he not?. He had the King George at his mercy according to his fans and misses the race to wait for York and then there’s no race for him until the Irish Champion Stakes which has been run 4 times in the last 5 years on good to soft or worse. Not what I would call a smart move.
Winning the King George would have done wonders for the horse’s reputation and put paid to any doubt that the horse actually stays 1m4f. The Derby hardly proved he does at te pace that was run at.
SMS for example ran Conduit in the Eclipse for one reason. If he had won his shed value would have gone through the roof having won at a range of distances in top company.
You can’t blame Oxx for being worried. There are millions at stake here.
He knows if Rip Van Winkle and Fame and Glory don’t go on to bigger and better things breeders will start questioning his worth like they did with Nashwan.
The bubble could burst at York and he’ll be worried enough without the possibilty of rain. If he comes through the York race or doesn’t run his best bet may be to go for the Arc….if he won it he could go down as one of the truly greats but that is one big gamble if it turns out he gets stuffed.
He must be sorely tempted to tuck him away and hope AOB can work his magic and boost the horses Derby and Eclispe win.
Sea The Stars idles in front and will win cosily, as always – IF he runs.
The faster the pace, the better.
Fist, maybe Aidan is quite happy with second ( or third ? ) place prize money.
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If he has improved 1-2lbs since he last ran that’s enough to put him slap bang next to Sea the Stars.
Don’t you think Sea The Stars may’ve improved a little since his last race, after all he is the lighter raced of the pair and Oxx is no mug in improving his best 3yo’s either?
I’ve got a dilema. If STS runs then in my opinion he wins, as the ground would be pacey enough for him. However, if he dosen’t run then MCM imo likes the soft stuff better than the fast. If the ground was gd/frm over 10f, then i don’t think that would suit MCM, so i wouldn’t be interested really.
Now this is where i start to anticpate the possibility of horses runnig against the price of their opponents. I’m kinda going along the lines of anticipating that STS won’t run, and that the trip might be a slight concern for MCM. I don’t actually believe what i’ve typed in this paragraph 100%, because i’m not a weather forecaster. It gives me the opportunity to back
Tartan Bearer
@ 7’s, and
Doctor Freemantle
@ 40’s.
If Sea The Stars runs then i will just have to sit back and admire his victory, because MCM won’t see him for dust once the race gets down to the business end.
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