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I think he is on holiday like he’s been for the past 30 years in the first two months of the year.
2 winners from it’s last 50 runners (a novice and a maiden hurdle winner).
It’s hard to get too enthusiastic about him with Cheltenham only three weeks away.
Have to agree I don’t think he as many good horses though that’s possibly why and I always get the impression that he puts his horses in races that are beyond them
Interesting running and riding of Noble Robin at Haydock. Near the rail and then sent 20 yards wide down the back straight
Although I don’t analyse these things I do feel that so many of his runners are backed on potential or some supposed clever targeting only to flop miserably. I steer clear nearly all year round
Jonjo a trainer i follow gets his horses handicapped to win and money down. don`t dismiss at cheltenham or aintree
I agree with Clivexx, he hasn’t had a Cheltenham Handicap winner since 2014 and I can’t see an Aintree Handicap winner since Don’t Push it in 2010. People talk about him getting horses to win handicaps to win these big races, he may have done 10-15 years ago but I wouldn’t be rushing to back his horses now.
There are certain trainers and jockeys I tend to avoid . Jonjo O’Neill is a trainer who doesn’t give a fig about punters and is very inconsistent . Jamie Spencer loathes punters : he’d rather win a seven horse Mickey Mouse race round Southwell on a 20/1 shot than a ride the short priced winner of stakes race at Ascot .
I never bet on those individuals’ horses .
When I asked a good friend of mine , a bookmaker of over 30 years , what his opinion of Jonjo O’Neill was , he replied , ” a wee fly man ! ” I’m sure others may disagree .
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All fair points,his strike rate over the last 5yrs still pretty good,so he must be doing something right.For every Ying there has to be a Yang,likely that he may well have some very well handicapped horses,several decent trainers had real downturns with “bugs” in the yard,very little news comes from this yard at the best of times.
I see there is a jonjo junior been knocking around as a conditional,did cross my mind with handicap entries out tomorrow,that anything in the m pipe/handicaps might be of interest.One horse I know wants better ground is Matorico…….rated 136 over hurdles,no surprise if hes brought back to hurdling,following poor novice chase campaign.
JP/Jonjo go back a long way,no surprise were the stable to perk up in the next few weeks,when least expected.
Jonjo still in profit at SP for the Cheltenham Festival – £55.88 on an 8.91% SR, though he’s 0/29 since Minella Rocco won the 2016 NH Chase.
I’d back a Jonjo horse no problem at the festival. Not sure what he has this time around. JP seems to not give him many good ones these days.
Himself i don`t back him all the time but i watch his runners.
I remember there was center piece in the weekend paper many years ago, he gave lots of horses apart from the 33/1 shot that won at cheltenham that same weekend.
Spencer, your so right that guy needs to get out of racing for good.
Over the years Jonjo has come to form at roughly the same time of year. Other trainers have better records in the Winter or Autumn (not where they’d particularly choose). So may be Jonjo has no say in the matter of when his horses hit form… Forget him once Winter comes but invariably seems to do best in the Spring… just in time for Cheltenham! Seems to have more Spring specialists than any other trainer. True Jonjo hasn’t had quite the same Cheltenham strike rate as previously, but some have run really well in defeat (eg Minella Rocco in Gold Cup).
Generally bookmakers don’t take much of a chance with Jonjo’s horses, minus over £1000 to a £ stake for the last 5 years. Although soon might be worth keeping an eye on the markets of horses who’ve apparently lost their form. Don’t think it’s my imagination that Jonjo’s rarely wins when lengthening in the market. imo Most “value” very much in taking a price once shortened – as it’s a sign the individual horse is in A1 condition, cuts down a lot on number of losers.
That said; trouble with trainers having a good record of what people see as “laying one out for a big handicap”, is the handicapper is then less likely to drop horses. When the reason for a horse running poorly is less likely to be because it’s lost ability and more likely he just isn’t in A1 condition… can’t blame the handicapper for not dropping the horse as much. Seemed to happen to Tony Martin some time ago and appears Jonjo’s are now similarly treated.
Value Is EverythingThey only year in which the stable showed a profit was back in the 2001/2002 season with a plus of 125 points to a £ 1 stake.
The only NH tracks where you can make a profit with his runners are:
Cheltenham (all meetings) with 8.26 points from 722 runners and
Ludlow with plus 9.4 points from 303 runners.It’s quite safe to say that the bookies love him……
Haha not sure I’d go that far Ruby, but it is an interesting stable.
I’m sure many of his duckeggs handicap first-timers are woefully underpriced with people generally assuming a plot is afoot when the horse in question might just be a bit pants.
The thing I’ve noticed is that they aren’t as much of a gambling yard as you’d expect, especially given that JP McManus is Jonjo’s main owners. They’ve had quite a few aggressive drifters running well and even winning in the last 18 months.
LS, I think Jonjo still is a great trainer despite his declining numbers. Those festival winners speak for themselves.
His horses perform best from 2m4f onwards. His record in Festival chases is a very impressive one and he surely knows what horses need in order to win over 3m or further at Cheltenham. Sadly, he doesn’t get much of that high class ammunition from France nor does he get the leading pointers from Ireland.
It would be nice to see him troubling the likes of Henderson and Skelton a lot more. Can’t add Nicholls into that equation anymore.
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