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I know he’s not very popular with some on this forum and he’s taken a bit of a pasting on another thread so how about a bit of appreciation for a man who has consistently delivered this season.
Today was his 6th Group 1 and 13th group win of the season and we are only in July! He has 2 exceptional horses but he has got them to each party in tiptop condition and is laying down his claim to being the number 1 trainer in the UK.
Good on you Johnny G!!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Hilarious! I am the only member of The JGAS!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I’m waiting until he wins the trainer’s championship before showing my appreciation and give any number of excuses if he doesn’t
There is no doubt about the man’s ability as a trainer. He’s one of the best I have seen.
If only this bullish statement regarding Kingman after the Sussex was more commonplace:-
"Actually he has the class to do it under hands and heels. It reminds me I had him in the July Cup and if truth be known, he would have won it. That’s not me being loud-mouthed after the event because I feel it was a statement of fact. I ran a lovely horse called Gregorian, who was unlucky not to be second, and I wouldn’t put them in the same bit of work. Is he as quick as his uncle (July Cup winner) Oasis Dream? They are both equally fast."
That’s more like it Johnny Boy!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
No current trainer is better than Johnny G.
It’s a two horse race in Britain. Hannon and Gosden. However, the latter is the one capable of producing top class animals at any trip.
Value Is EverythingJohn Gosden is a class trainer and a top bloke. He just needs to stop worrying and being unnecessarily negative all the time, it drives people mad.
That’s more like it!
Aji, Steve, Ginge and IB – I’ll send you out your members pack. Homer will get his when JG wins the trainers championship.
The pack includes-
A lock of his hair (a real collectors item)
A book of JG quotations (edited by TAPK)
A jar of his homemade turtle waxI’ll throw in a copy of Ryan Moore’s hilarious Christmas DvD of post race punchlines plus a compilation of AOB’s finest interviews called "Listen" so you can hear how communicators SHOULD sound.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Trainers are in a no-win situation. They say they really fancy one and it gets beat…or say they think one will struggle and it hoses up. Often they may know a horse is well and fit and that is it, how it will often perform is often unknown. And they can’t speak to the chances of other horses in the race. Of course they will have info from gallops, tests, etc, at home but you wouldn’t expect them to relay that type of info beyond ‘he’s been working well’, etc, would you?
John Gosden is usually pretty eloquent, honest and intelligent and thoughtful with his interviews. He may lack the charm of Sir Henry or the easy manner of Hannon Jnr but I’d take more notice of what he says than the majority of other trainers.
On the topic of trainer interviews, I thought Stoute’s interview with Luck on King George day was a bad advert for the sport. Stoute clearly didn’t want to be interviewed and I thought came across as downright rude. I felt for Luck, who did his best, and Stoute doesn’t have to be interviewed or have any obligation to tell ‘us’ stuff he’d rather keep to himself but given what the sport has given him, you’d feel these guys should at least acknowledge that there is a racing public (on whom the whole circus depends) who are interested and surely deserve at least a pretence.
I know the racing media in the UK are criticised for being ‘over-friendly’ but it is a tough balance, racing is such a small world that any interviewer, journalist or even publication being ‘unfriendly’ would risk having doors permanently slammed in their faces. The Racing Post, for example, has some journalists who come across as extremely sycophantic but much copy in that paper would collapse without the goodwill of trainers and jockeys so you can imagine the ‘we can’t say that’ conversations which take place.
There are notable exceptions of course. Lydia Hislop and Greg Wood are two examples, and there are more, of journalists unafraid to tackle racing’s top table head-on. I saw Wood get the full McCoy glare one day after Binocular’s controversial Champion Hurdle win when Wood was asking some searching questions of Henderson, who was clearly uncomfortable and wasn’t sure where to go. "Don’t answer that", said McCoy while giving Wood a right ‘I’m going to take you outside in a minute’ glower. Wood badgered on though, and all credit to him.
That’s why it is good, IMO, that we have places like this and others like it, where we can see opinions expressed freely.
That’s more like it!
Aji, Steve, Ginge and IB – I’ll send you out your members pack. Homer will get his when JG wins the trainers championship.
The pack includes-
A lock of his hair
(a real collectors item)
A book of JG quotations (edited by TAPK)
A jar of his homemade turtle waxI’ll throw in a copy of Ryan Moore’s hilarious Christmas DvD of post race punchlines plus a compilation of AOB’s finest interviews called "Listen" so you can hear how communicators SHOULD sound.
That hair must have been plucked circa 1985
Here’s your fan club song Joni. A reworking of a darts classic.
"Johnny G, Johnny G, John, John, Johnny G
He’s got no hair but we don’t care
John, John, Johnny G"Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Thanks Steve. We’ll sing that at each gathering.
Don’t wish to sound sychophantic but great post earlier from the boss. Totally agree with comments about trainers bigging up their horses, they are on a hiding to nothing. Taghroohda is not an extravagent worker by all reports.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
On the topic of trainer interviews, I thought Stoute’s interview with Luck on King George day was a bad advert for the sport. Stoute clearly didn’t want to be interviewed and I thought came across as downright rude. I felt for Luck, who did his best, and Stoute doesn’t have to be interviewed or have any obligation to tell ‘us’ stuff he’d rather keep to himself but given what the sport has given him, you’d feel these guys should at least acknowledge that there is a racing public (on whom the whole circus depends) who are interested and surely deserve at least a pretence.
I saw that interview and agree that Michael Stoute was out of order in his attitude. A couple of minutes of politeness isn’t a lot to ask, even if you don’t really feel like bothering with fielding obvious questions, or revealing information you would rather keep public.
You would expect someone of Stoute’s experience and stature to have developed the ability to play a flat bat on any questions bowled at him and appreciate that other people are just trying to perform
their
jobs, no matter how irritating it might be to him.
Someone once described Michael Stoute as having a prickly nature. I would wholeheartedly agree with five sevenths of that statement
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
If i may once again defend the trainer – in fairness to Stoute it was quite a long interview and it was just before the race. He was on his way into the paddock to meet connections and I would think he had plenty on his mind. It became a walk and talk and, watching it, I kept saying to myself "end it there Nick" but he kept asking questions. Then at the end of it he decides to broach what is obviously going to be a prickly topic and Stoute gave him short shrift. For me that was not the time or place for that question ie just before a race. I agree Stoute is never particularly forthcoming but in this instance i think Nick did go a bit "Richie Persad" on him.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Yes, in fairness to Stoute (and Luck) you could almost hear Luck’s earpiece….’ask him about the Queen’s friggin’ horse, goddam you Nick’
I agree with some of the comments about Stoute. I cringe when he’s interviewed and walks off when he feels like it.
I don’t know the man but he comes across as pig ignorant and the day he retires from the training ranks will be a good day for the sport.
A man of his age you would expect to have developed manners, humility and decency, long ago. The fact that those attributes appear to be lacking from him is rather degrading on himself.
I agree with some of the comments about Stoute. I cringe when he’s interviewed and walks off when he feels like it.
I don’t know the man but he comes across as pig ignorant and the day he retires from the training ranks will be a good day for the sport.
A man of his age you would expect to have developed manners, humility and decency, long ago. The fact that those attributes appear to be lacking from him is rather degrading on himself.
In terms of press relations his stable jockey went to the same charm school
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