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Perhaps the French and the Americans know more than we give them credit for.Cheaters are losers in both countries.
Perhaps the French and the Americans know more than we give them credit for.Cheaters are losers in both countries.
Doyle would have got no ban or fine in America.
Perhaps the French and the Americans know more than we give them credit for.Cheaters are losers in both countries.
Doyle would have got no ban or fine in America.
But the race wasn’t in America, it was in England under English rules, which he broke.
That’s like a footballer appealing against handball because if the game were rugby he would be breaking the rules.
How can racing expect to attract new followers, new punters, if their bets are lost due to rulebreaking? It’s bad enough the amount of fiddling that can take place within the rules, without allowing blatent cheating to go relatively unpunished.
Who brought America into the subject aji?
Footballers break the rules all the time and even cheat, another good example in the Stoke match yesterday by Victor Moses but their team don’t lose the match. If they commit a foul they may get a free kick against them or a player may get booked but they don’t automatically lose the match.
Doyle broke the harsh rules and a received a harsh ban but it’s cloud cuckoo land to suggest the horse should lose the race because of whip use.
Which countries disqualify for whip offences?
British racing would be a laughing stock with such a rule.
Who brought America into the subject aji?
Footballers break the rules all the time and even cheat, another good example in the Stoke match yesterday by Victor Moses but their team don’t lose the match. If they commit a foul they may get a free kick against them or a player may get booked but they don’t automatically lose the match.
Doyle broke the harsh rules and a received a harsh ban but it’s cloud cuckoo land to suggest the horse should lose the race because of whip use.
Which countries disqualify for whip offences?
British racing would be a laughing stock with such a rule.
Well, you did, and Andy.
The penalties for cheating in many sports attempt to redress the balance e.g. in football bring a player down in proximity to the goal, so with a good chance of scoring, and a penalty is awarded to give that chance.
In UK racing break the rules and usually the penalty is afterwards and doesn’t affect the result. The penalties on James give Al Kazeems connections no redress, no possibility of winning the race that they might have done had James stuck to the rules AS THEIR RIDER DID.
It is just your opinion the whip rules are harsh; that is irrelevant, they are the rules. It is many peoples opinion the french interference rules are harsh; again irrelevant. The point is the rules are the rules in whatever country a race takes place and they need to be adhered to with severe penalties when they are broken. It’s about fairness and integrity.
Corm . yes I will grant you that , you do not harp on about the whip as much as you used to , and fair enough
you wont move on
…your decision …
But
The chances of a further whip rule change to disqualify horse and rider in the event of a breach , whatever the degree are extremely remote ….the reasons are many …the main one being
it would not be deemed as punter friendly …and thats bookie/levy territory so its simply am non starter
so
you can remain perversely deluded , and tell yourself that you are right and will never give up
or simply move on
In UK racing break the rules and usually the penalty is afterwards and doesn’t affect the result. The penalties on James give Al Kazeems connections no redress, no possibility of winning the race that they might have done had James stuck to the rules AS THEIR RIDER DID.
The reason Baker didn’t use his whip more was because he was incapable, he didn’t even use his quota up as it took him an age to use it in the finish as anyone who has seen the head on would agree.
Even if steeplechasing is correct and it’s because he’s 4 inches too long it doesn’t change the fact he rode a poor finish and the ride didn’t really deserve a victory.
Which countries disqualify horses for excessive use of the whip?
Which countries disqualify horses for excessive use of the whip?
Excessive use of the whip isn’t the point, breaking the rules is. It doesn’t matter whether the rule is whip, interference, weight, drugs; connections should not be allowed to gain by breaking them.
Why is it right for a horse to be disqualified if the rider weighs-in light but not if the rider uses the whip more than the permitted level? Presumably the rider believes using the whip more gives an advantage, otherwise why would he do it?
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