- This topic has 24 replies, 14 voices, and was last updated 11 years, 7 months ago by
.
- Posts
James Doyle apparently received a 10k fine for his ride on Noble mission today,i think it’s madness,i’d say there’s a chance Prince Khalid Abdullah will pay it but that’s not the point.
He gave the horse a cracking ride and the horse kept responding and both horse and jockey really put everything into it and i for one am disappointed in the sport for allowing this young man to get such a hefty fine for doing his job superbly.Yep £10k fine plus 7 days ban for use of the whip.
Plenty of bans today as horses came off the bridle earlier than usual in the bog.
Smullen 3 days careless on winner of first race (seemed lenient to me as he mullered Leading Light)
O’ Brien 2 days careless on Ruler of the World
Hughes 4 day stick ban on Night of Thunder
Crowley 4 day stick ban on winner Madame Chiang
from reports Doyle is pragmatic and not complaining-reality is that in G1 races it is win at all costs and riders take bans on the chin. They know that their horse is unlikely to lose the race and their is no incentive to keep horses straight or comply with stick rulesIt is hardly as if the rules have been plucked out of thin air. The BHA bent over backwards to suit the jockeys when the rules were amended.
I find it bizarre that pat smullen gets three days for cleaning out leading light and keeps the race yet gleneagles is demoted to third in France for far less. Ryan Moore did the same an smullen except worse earlier on in the season in Dubai. Seems the stewards let the likes of Moore and smullen get away with it but when other jockeys don’t barge through they don’t win. It’s win at all costs all right. No wonder mcririck goes ballistic about it.
The authorities in this country shy away at all costs from disqualifications, presumably because they are afraid of the sour taste it’ll leave with punters, and you can understand that to an extent.
But any barging inevitably puts other riders and horses in danger (and we are talking about a sport where a fall can be fatal for horse or rider) so my view is that if you put others at risk you disqualify yourself from winning the prize. It is bizarre that you can break rules that are designed to protect other participants from grave danger and still be awarded the prize.
As for the whip, jockeys should lose their
entire fee
if they break the rules and win , at the very least. For me, the whip rules are there to protect the horse, so if we take that seriously we should disqualify the horse when the jockey breaks that rule (the horse won’t care if it’s won or lost, it will care if it comes back with a big weal on its skin).
There you go….!
Racing shooting itself in the foot again I’m afraid, instead of BBC headlines saying "Noble Mission wins the big race" they add on "but jockey gets fined 10 grand and ban for whip abuse".
Nothing wrong with the ride apart from the carp rules, no ban or fine for the jockey in America just pats on the back.
How many people were offended by the ride at the time? I didn’t hear one complaint.
Look at the posts on the Noble Mission thread, you can’t have it both ways cormack & others.
First of all can I say that I loved the result, I think James Doyle is a breath of fresh air for racing and I thoroughly enjoyed yesterdays racing. But, even though I don’t read races as well as most of you guys do, as I was watching the end of the race I turned to Mike and said ‘he’s gonna be in trouble’, because his use of the whip was so obvious. And, you have to feel sorry for George Baker
who did stick to the rules. What made the race even more emotional for me [and most probably why James was so heavy handed with the whip] was the fact that he knew how hard his old pal Al Kazeem would fight [and it was lovely how he spoke of the horse afterwards; I started to get a bit worried that he wouldn’t mention Noble Mission at all
].Thought it was a poor ride from Baker and he should probably have won, he was slow at using his whip a number of times in the finish.
Took an age to get organised and pick it up one time, just watch the head on of the finish, looked like a geriatric.Doyle pragmatically accepts the ban which rules him out of the Breeders cup:-
Thought it was a poor ride from Baker and he should probably have won, he was slow at using his whip a number of times in the finish.
Took an age to get organised and pick it up one time, just watch the head on of the finish, looked like a geriatric.I thought it a fine ride by Baker. If he’d been 4 inches shorter he’d have won it. Yes, he looks disorganised in such tight finishes, but where do you put yourself on the back of a galloping thoroughbred when you’re 6ft tall?
He has all the attributes needed for a top jockey, but nature dealt him a cruel hand.
s for the whip, jockeys should lose their entire fee if they break the rules and win , at the very least. For me, the whip rules are there to protect the horse, so if we take that seriously we should disqualify the horse when the jockey breaks that rule (the horse won’t care if it’s won or lost, it will care if it comes back with a big weal on its skin).
There you go….!
Poor Corm …he just will not move on !!!
A cracking good ride and an emotional result , which made the day somewhat acceptable …sloshing around in a bog for such big money was
always
going to result in some bans ….lets get over it
The authorities in this country shy away at all costs from disqualifications, presumably because they are afraid of the sour taste it’ll leave with punters, and you can understand that to an extent.
But any barging inevitably puts other riders and horses in danger (and we are talking about a sport where a fall can be fatal for horse or rider) so my view is that if you put others at risk you disqualify yourself from winning the prize. It is bizarre that you can break rules that are designed to protect other participants from grave danger and still be awarded the prize.
As for the whip, jockeys should lose their
entire fee
if they break the rules and win , at the very least. For me, the whip rules are there to protect the horse, so if we take that seriously we should disqualify the horse when the jockey breaks that rule (the horse won’t care if it’s won or lost, it will care if it comes back with a big weal on its skin).
There you go….!
Agree with all that. James cheated, he is caught cheating, it’s black and white no subjectivity, he should lose the race. Him, his trainer and his owner. Enforce the rules properly and riders will magically learn to count in the heat of the moment and this sort of thing will stop. no picking on James, I like him; they are all the same.
To avoid the difficulties in the betting ring bookies must pay on both results, as many do now wnyway. I am convinced after a week of these strict punishments infringements would almost disappear and the impact on the ring would be negligable. It would be better for the sport, at the moment you have disgruntled punters who see their horse beaten by cheating.
In any other sport where you break the rules you lose whatever you win, racing is unique in condoning people to cheat
The only reason Bookies pay out on both results nowadays is because they know nothing gets thrown out.
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysIn any other sport where you break the rules you lose whatever you win, racing is unique in condoning people to cheat
No "cheating" or rule breaking goes on in football then?
Leading Light career over after being the victim of Smullen’s ‘careless’ riding in the Long Distance Cup.
].
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.