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Is it just me or does anyone else think this horse is totally overated? I keep hearing promising this and potential that but the form book shows a horse who has only won a maiden so far and he keeps going off shorter than he should. I have looked at the St Leger betting and see him there at as low as 8/1 for the race. Surely that is Fantasy Island?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
i agree steve 8/1 for ledger is a silly price at the moment although i do believe the horse has got talent altough he is starting to look quirky i dont think the hood helped him today or the lack of pace in the race he seemed to run on again when the other o brien horse came upside him he seems to run better coming off a strong pace i think there is a good race in him but i would say a mile to 10 furlong is his optimum trip
I agree Steve, NOW.
In my view, the Eclipse was D-Day – he could have been an Oratorio until saturday, but now looks a talker.
I think Mars would benefit from a cushy listed or conditions race to boost his confidence.
In his races this season, he has been outpaced (seasonal debut), run on adverse camber (Derby) and given a hefty shove (Ascot). We have to remember that Mars only had one run as a juvenile, so these varied and unpleasant experiences can’t have been good for him mentally.
I doubt Ballydoyle will oblige, but I will take more of an interest in Mars if he does find a soft race next time instead of the Juddmonte International, King George or whatever else he is entered for.
Agree with TYF. I feel a bit sorry for the horse he’s run this season in top races at a mile then jumped up to 12f then back to a mile then 10f, do they or anyone else know what his best trip is because I haven’t got a clue. Will probably step up again in the leger then back to a mile in the QE11 then next season take in the Ascot Gold Cup before heading off to Longchamp in the sprint on Arc weekend.
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lol Nathan!
You might want to join me in putting a quid on Mars ahead of his inevitable assault on the 2017 Velka Pardubicka.
lol Nathan!
You might want to join me in putting a quid on Mars ahead of his inevitable assault on the 2017 Velka Pardubicka.
Oh ye of little faith, you may well mock.
Mars could start winning if sold to Mike de Kock.
Mars was sold as a world beater to the public after his Dundalk maiden win, but he didn’t confirm all the promise. Of course he has a the chance to win Group races, as he’s nicely bred as you’d expect from a Ballydoyle horse. However he looks just short of class compared to what is required in the top division this year. And if "the lads" would have really thought he is the superstar many thought he’d turn out to be then they would certainly campaigned him in a different way. It probably is simply the fact that he is not up to Group 1 class, but he might can win a poor Group race in Ireland over 1m to 10f. But certainly not a St Leger, not in my eyes at least.
He clearly struggles to lay up with group one horses in the vital part of a race but he has finished like a train in every race he has run. Obviously a tad short of top class pace but definitely has stamina. Perhaps he’ll make up into a cup horse one day.
If he runs in the Leger I still fancy him to give a very good account of himself. I wish I’d taken the 16’s when I had the chance now.
Runs at Leopardstown in a group 3 tomorrow over 9 furlongs.
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I see Timeform are peddling the myth that Mars has been unlucky this year, in their summary on the ATR card for the race today. He should surely be good enough today, yet I couldn’t back him at what will be a restrictive price due to him not getting his head in front since his debut. He has not been entered in the Leger and with the choice of trip today it would seem that his staying on past beaten horses in the Derby after being held up off the pace probably alluded to stamina potential that never truly existed. At least he’s been given a more realistic target after being given the most demanding of campaigns up to now.
I see Sir John Hawkins also runs tonight and is stepped up to 7f and blinkered. That seems a bad sign for a horse with a classic pedigree and I wonder if the Coventry was the right race for him on only his second start given that his mother took time to find her way to racing glory. Another one I won’t be backing at the odds.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Nine furlongs is too sharp for the horse IMHO, It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he gets beaten.
Well, I guess he’s just overrated then. Also thought he needed longer beforehand but it didn’t even looked too sharp for him. If anything, he showed some early acceleration only to be outfought/outstayed. They may say he didn’t like the ground but imo he just doesn’t look like Group 1 quality.
Been switched to De Kock so no surprise to see him win a few prestigious races now.
Mars badly needed a change of scenery and hopefully he’ll find success now. I think the way he has been placed this year was a masterclass in picking the wrong race time after time, at a myriad of trips, for a horse who only had a maiden win behind him coming into the season.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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