November 23, 2006 at 21:45 #4351insomniacParticipant
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A little light topic for lounge lurkers to ponder.November 23, 2006 at 22:44 #103840The Market ManMember
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No to both in my opinion. All ancient myth!November 24, 2006 at 02:17 #103841
Yes .. there is a God.November 24, 2006 at 09:04 #103842lollys mateMember
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I’m here DJ !November 24, 2006 at 09:27 #103843roryParticipant
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…well he’d be entitled to be, wouldn’t he? So much power, so little to learn…..November 24, 2006 at 12:46 #103844cormack15Keymaster
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depends on what you mean by ‘life’. If you define ‘life’ as including a conscious self awareness of your own existence then, no. If, however, you define ‘life’ as the ongoing prescence of ‘your’ energy within the universe then yes, absolutely, that is an indisputable physical law.November 24, 2006 at 15:39 #103845DroneParticipant
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God = Universe = Nature
We are all (animate/inanimate) part of this God and this God is part of us.
Benedict Spinoza:<br>"God: otherwise Nature. Nothing exists but God. God is one, that is, only one substance can be granted to exist in the universe…whatsoever is, is in God, and without God nothing can be, or be conceived"
Walt Whitman:<br>"I hear and behold God in every object…why should I wish to see God better than this day? I see something of God each hour of the twenty four, and each moment then. In the faces of men and women I see God, and in my own face in the glass"
Ralph Waldo Emerson:<br>"In the woods, we return to reason and faith. There I feel that nothing can befall me in life – no disgrace, no calamity which nature cannot repair. Standing on the bare ground – my head bathed by the blithe air and uplifted into infinite space – all mean egotism vanishes. I become a transparent eye-ball; I am nothing! I see all; the currents of the Universal Being circulate through me; I am part or parcel of God"
Right on. The meaning of life?…no idea but it sure is goodNovember 24, 2006 at 15:42 #103846
Grasshopper Posted on 9:09 am on Nov. 24, 2006<br>If there is, he’s a bit of a w*nker.
<br>.. not true, indifferent to Man’s plight, IMO.November 24, 2006 at 16:48 #103847Maxilon 5Member
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Thank’s for putting this thread up, Insomniac.
Always wanted to write about Pascals Gambit on the forum as we are all gamblers.:biggrin: Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â
Top French philosopher Blaise Pascal, (a student of Game Theory), argued that it is a shrewd decision to believe in God because the expected value of believing that God exists, (i.e. entry into Heaven) is always greater than the expected value resulting from non-belief, (i.e descent into the fires of Hell).
In other words, a wonderful bet to nothing.;)
MaxNovember 24, 2006 at 17:00 #103848SwallowCottageMember
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This guy Pascal sounds like another Eric Cantona;) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂNovember 24, 2006 at 17:06 #103849graysonscolumnParticipant
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Drone, would you happen to be a Pantheist, perchance? The quotes listed seem consistent with such thought as far as I understand it….
The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.November 24, 2006 at 18:52 #103850
I’m a big fan of Pascal Max .. him and those that discovered the universal constants.
GH, the notion of that God might be useful is quite a modern one I think.November 24, 2006 at 20:37 #103851DroneParticipant
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Quote: from graysonscolumn on 5:06 pm on Nov. 24, 2006[br]Drone, would you happen to be a Pantheist, perchance? The quotes listed seem consistent with such thought as far as I understand it….
Yes, specifically a wishy-washy, undogmatic, non-commital belief in Naturalistic Pantheism.
Goes some way to satisfying those not infrequent idle moments spent pondering the Big Question: ‘what’s it all about then’
If belief in a deity equates to spiritual uplift, a sense of belonging and peace of mind then the great outdoors; the natural world; earth, wind and fire; and the night sky certainly evoke those emotions in me and always have done.
Illicit alkaloids were once the quick fix; pantheism the answer (sort of)November 24, 2006 at 23:11 #103852
.. quality Blake Drone.November 25, 2006 at 11:56 #103853insomniacParticipant
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Sadly, I think there’s no such thing as god, and whilst it’s nice, even comforting to think of some kind of existence after we kick the bucket, I fear that’s just wishful thinking.<br>The "one-ness" with nature and the universe angle is nice but even deep thinkers / philosophers can over-egg the pudding. Just because many things in nature and the universe are amazing doesn’tmean they have any great spiritual significance.<br>The belief by the main Christian religions that god made us in his own image always seemed deeply flawed to me. If there is a god and he was omnipotent maker and master of everything, why would he need kidneys, toenails or eyelashes?<br>Another sham Christian line my teachers used to spin was that "god moved in mysterious ways" whenever the idea of a benevolent, loving Christ was questioned in relation to wars, famine, crime and natural disasters.<br>Unfortunately, as much as I’d like there to be an afterlife with a forgiving creator, it’s all just a human "comfort blanket".
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