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US ARMY RANGER 6/4
Even though Harzand went away from him in final furlong i felt 2nd had made up more ground and littlepetrol at end of race.If ridden a bit closer to Harzand on saturday i feel he reverse form.Also think MOONLIGHT MAGIC run better race here ran shocker at epsom he is better than he shown at Epsom
Will Wings of Desire be running here?
No Nathan, Grand Prix de Paris instead.
A proper yawn-fest of a race this. 6/4 and 7/4 about Harzand and US Army Ranger respectively says it all.
This is an uninspiring race and you can’t even get 7/4 US Army Ranger now, as he’s a best priced 6/4.
Hardly any 6/4 left on Harzand either.
This looks like being a small field and 90% of them will be no hopers.
Yet again, Shogun is in the mix, which amazes me, as the horse clearly isn’t good enough to be running in Classics. Still only a maiden winner and a stinking maiden at that. He has declined to a rating of 107 and that would be a hammer blow for any Classic race to see that sort of rubbish lifting the prize.
Twist my arm heavily and I would back Harzand at 6/4. I think this tough horse will repel US Army Ranger regardless of how the O’Brien horse is ridden. Bearing in mind the late scare I felt Harzand was simply the best stayer and stronger willed runner on the day.
Not great value but in this company it’s virtually a match with the slightly frustrating Idaho the only likely danger.
Harzand 6/4 is my pick.Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Think they lost something here when they went to an evening fixture but then I’m just a traditionalist
US army ranger all day for me
It’s hard to get away from the chances of US Army Ranger, and if Darren’s picked him out
I’m not about to disagree, the man would put Tom Segal to shame this past couple of weeks.
I think you’re right Steve, this is going to cut up to a small field. That being the case,
is there any mileage in PORT DOUGLAS as an ante post e/w proposition. It
does seem to be O’Brien’s intention to run him, and if there turns out to be not much more
than a handful, then 50/1 3 places might see him sneak a place.He did run USAR to a shd in the Chester Vase, giving him 4lbs, although USAR may have been
better for the run. Nonetheless it wasn’t a bad performance and if he can repeat that
performance he might be worth a small interest. You can put a line through his Derby run,
he was sent on in front like a scalded cat to set it up for his stable mate, he was never
going to last home on ground that was too soft for him and as soon as he was headed with
2 to go, he had done his job and coasted home.There is every possibility he will set off in front again for the benefit of USAR, but on
better ground than Epsom (only forecast light showers between now and Saturday) he is
going to have more in the tank at the finish, and whilst USAR and HARZAND should go past him,
he may have enough left this time to hold off the rest. He’s a decent animal and as long as
he’s not completely sacrificed this time at break neck pace, he could run a good race.I’m chancing a few quid and hoping for a small field.
I managed to get a bit of 7/4 USAR for the Ante post comp which was why I was asking about Wings of Desire. I think the likely small field and course will suit USAR well, the course will also suit Harzand but USAR will be able to keep tabs on him a lot closer. If they do go a slower pace I think that could be detrimental to Harzand who looks like one who could get a lot further and wants the stamina test. I’m looking forward to it and find it intriguing rather than uninspiring but more as a tactical contest rather than a betting one.
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Dermot Weld has warned that the Derby took a lot out of Harzand and he hasn’t had the build up he would have liked, preferring that there were another week to the race.
I love this sentiment amongst trainers that they sneaked the race in a week early, rather than the fact that the horse just isn’t ready.
That obviously gives cause for concern and hopefully they will make the right call and not send the horse if he isn’t 100% ready.
There’s no point raxing the horse if he’s not ready. The Irish Derby is pretty much a pet project for Aidan O’Brien as much as anything these days anyway.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
‘raxing’ top word Steve.
Oh, the days of ending up in the Camps Bar as the last stop on a “Pure Raxer”
The morning after when you woke up with “A heid on ye lek a Bothy cat”
Those were the days.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I don’t think anyone would have seen Idaho as favourite for this race and that shows how weak a renewal it is now.
It makes little sense that it was 6/4 Harzand and 7/1 Idaho a few days ago, yet in the new market they are pretty much joint favourites now.
I don’t think much of it anyway.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
What are the chances USAR turning up for the Eclipse or is he a 12f only horse….?
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I don’t think anyone would have seen Idaho as favourite for this race and that shows how weak a renewal it is now.
It makes little sense that it was 6/4 Harzand and 7/1 Idaho a few days ago, yet in the new market they are pretty much joint favourites now.
I don’t think much of it anyway.
Yes I agree it doesn’t make much sense Steve. I also don’t think there is much between Idaho
and Port Douglas either. If you consider there was only 2 points separating them in the Derby
betting and yet Idaho is near evens with Port Douglas still available at 25/1 with Coral. If
they have come to that conclusion, odds wise, based on their Derby run then that makes even less
sense. PD had no chance as he run for the benefit of USAR, I’m not sure he’ll be given that task
for Idaho, and even if he is he will be better suited to the conditions here and should see the
race out much better, he was powering on at the end of the Chester Vase over 12 1/2f, going down
a shd to USAR.I’m more than happy with my 50/1 e/w, but that aside I think he will run a very decent race. If,
as you mentioned, Harzand has not come out of the Derby too well, he is in with a real shout. The
only horse I was really worried about was USAR, and with him gone I’m hopeful.The betting seems to have corrected itself now with Harzand Evens and Idaho 9/4.
I suspect that Harzand will end up odds on and Idaho will be nearer 3/1 come the day of the race.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Think it will be disappointing if Harzand doesn’t build on his epsom win and take this. Trainer cautious but they were saying similar things before Epsom and didn’t affect him there. Only worry is the tough race he had.
I’d Idaho is delivered late then I think he will win it especially if the course dries out. I suspect weld is very worried about the ground than having a hard race in the derby. It was the same for Idaho so no reason to use the race as an excuse. Not a deep race at all which amazes me given how open the race is and how much can be picked up from being placed.
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