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    Avatar photoSirHarryLewis
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    OK, so who definitely runs from the O Brien camp? DOW anyway but its hard to read further intentions.

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    #450153
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    First Aidan has to find out what Joseph wants to ride. Then they must clear out any possible challenge to Joseph amongst the declared runners from the yard. Only pacemakers allowed to run. Joseph no like Seamus beating him. So we wait and see. Horses who have not run this year will be amongst the possible runners from the yard.

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    Hold all bets – heavy rain now forecast for Friday/Saturday!

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    Hold all bets – heavy rain now forecast for Friday/Saturday!

    Really, Interesting as lots of people are trying to lay Al Kazeem for crazy prices.

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    #450286
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    It better be heavy rain.Scattered showers won’t do the trick.

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    Well as long as firm disappears from the going description, he will run.

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    Joseph OBrien has been "booked" to ride Declaration of War according to the Sporting Life.I wonder who his agent is? Surely it should read Joseph OBrien has been assigned Declaration of War.

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    Well he has a good agent :D

    Seriously though, reading between the lines from Lorcan Wyers comments the other day, i got the impression DOW might not run if significant rain. Seemed bizarre to me as he has soft ground form at least. I wonder though if it might be because they would really fancy Kings Barns under those circumstances and Joseph might want to switch.

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    Oh well, hope kingsbarns is ok. They clearly thought he was ready to run a big race. The fugue is the real deal but I chickened out on betting due to ground.

    wonder was there many people who really thought free eagle was a good bet at 8/1 for the derby

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    Well he has a good agent :D

    Seriously though, reading between the lines from Lorcan Wyers comments the other day, i got the impression DOW might not run if significant rain. Seemed bizarre to me as he has soft ground form at least.

    Could the non-participation of DOW be an economic decision for breeding fee purposes, once Coolmore knew Al Kazeem was taking part?

    Non-participation makes it easier for Coolmore to claim (as they did after York) that DOW was a better horse than Al Kazeem and only lost the Eclipse through tactics. Did not want to take on the Charlton horse on what was thought by some to be Al Kazeem’s going.

    If Declaration Of War only ran to the Eclipse form today he’d rightly be seen as a below average International winner.

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    Most decisions made by John the Big are economic ones. Coolmore is a money machine, however they do enter the buying market at times. Australia being an example.

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    Incidentally talking about a business; Trading Leather has earned over 1.1/4 million(sterling and euro’s) this year so far. Not bad for the likes of Jim Bolger, owner, trainer and jockey family operation. Jim estimates he needs that alone to pay his staff,never mind feeding the horses.

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    Well he has a good agent :D

    Seriously though, reading between the lines from Lorcan Wyers comments the other day, i got the impression DOW might not run if significant rain. Seemed bizarre to me as he has soft ground form at least.

    Could the non-participation of DOW be an economic decision for breeding fee purposes, once Coolmore knew Al Kazeem was taking part?

    Non-participation makes it easier for Coolmore to claim (as they did after York) that DOW was a better horse than Al Kazeem and only lost the Eclipse through tactics. Did not want to take on the Charlton horse on what was thought by some to be Al Kazeem’s going.

    If Declaration Of War only ran to the Eclipse form today he’d rightly be seen as a below average International winner.

    I imagine it might serve a couple of needs. Im pretty certain Kingsbarns wouldn’t have run on good ground and they didnt want to be without a representative either. It definitly had little to do with DOW not being able to act on that imo.

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    Where have the Ballydoyle three year olds gone? They were running at all distances against everything up till Ascot.Indian Chief,Lines of Battle, Magician, Festive Cheer,Ruler of the World etc etc.

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