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  • #412595
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    SNA’s level of form at 12f is good enough to win some group 1 events (the Arc and KG excepted). His level of form at 10f being 4-5lb lower is not up to winning most group 1 events in UK, France or Ireland. To gauge the merit of Saturday’s race Light Heavy looks to be the most reliable measure. Nathaniel has run to around his Eclipse effort or perhaps a pound below as he was not ridden right out to the line once Snow Fairy asserted.

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    I haven’t heard if Gosden has made a decision about Nathaniel but I will be very surprised if he doesn’t go for the Arc as he has no chance against Frankel in the Champion and nor has Snow Fairy though of course Frankel should be in the Arc.

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    It’s surely ground dependent with Nathaniel? As Gosden said recently it’s not that Nathaiel can’t go on faster ground it’s the fact soft ground doesn’t slow him down as much as it does most of the oppostion.

    I can’t see him bypassing the Arc unless it’s very fastish ground but he must be thinking if it is he’d be better going for the Champion as he’d be an absolute certainty to pick up 2nd place.

    One things for sure, somethings got to give. Camelot wants fast ground, Nathaniel wants it soft, Danedream wants it just on the soft side of good and Snow fairy wants it on the fast side of good.

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    It’s surely ground dependent with Nathaniel? As Gosden said recently it’s not that Nathaiel can’t go on faster ground it’s the fact soft ground doesn’t slow him down as much as it does most of the oppostion.

    I can’t see him bypassing the Arc unless it’s very fastish ground but he must be thinking if it is he’d be better going for the Champion as he’d be an absolute certainty to pick up 2nd place.

    One things for sure, somethings got to give. Camelot wants fast ground, Nathaniel wants it soft, Danedream wants it just on the soft side of good and Snow fairy wants it on the fast side of good.

    With the likes of Cirrus Des Aigles (who loves soft ground as well) there he wouldn’t necessarily be a certainty? And Snow Fairy’s entered in that race too
    A lot of people don’t rate Camelot’s Guineas win highly but I think it was quite a decent effort and he handled the ground perfectly fine. Danedream’s best run is still the Arc and it was fast that day.

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    Seems like last years heroes are all still around and giving their best so why look beyond Danedream?She has already beaten the best of them this year except Snow Fairy whom she has yet to meet.

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    Seems like last years heroes are all still around and giving their best so why look beyond Danedream?She has already beaten the best of them this year except Snow Fairy whom she has yet to meet.

    Snow Fairy was third to Danedream in last year’s Arc.

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    I should have been more precise, I meant this year.

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