Inside knowledge please

[Snooperclyde]

With the Caulfield Cup, a 12 furlong handicap coming up this weekend can someone please rate these European raiders against each other expecting them to race on good going.

All The Good 53kgs

Mad Rush 53.5kgs

The Melbourne Cup 16 furlongs please rate firstly on good to firm and then soft going (4th November)

Septimus 58.5kgs

Honolulu 54.5kgs

Alessandro Volta 50.5kgs

Yellowstone 54kgs

Mad rush 53.5 kgs

All The Good 53 kgs

Varevees 51.5 kgs

Profound Beauty 51.5 kgs

Bauer 51 kgs

I would greatly appreciate comments to support your ratings if you have the time.

cheers
Peter

[davidbrady]

What’s your opinion?!!!!!!!!

[Snooperclyde]

What’s your opinion?!!!!!!!!

I have little to no experience with European racing.
My limited knowledge is not a reasonable base to formulate a constructive opinion.
I’ve seen Septimus win the St Leger in a canter
All The Good show a tremendous turn of foot in the rerun of the Ebor
Honolulu win with some authority

But that is the extent of my personal viewing.

So as you can see I need some advice on the other runners to compare.

I think All The Good would need every bit of his weight advantage against Septimus, however I see him at an advantage with the extra time in Oz to prepare.

[Snooperclyde]

Obviously I live in Australia.

[Snooperclyde]

Sorry I did not mean to be rude.

start again

I live in Australia and viewing overseas racing is limited by live coverage to foxtel subscribers only. I have a mate with Foxtel but your racing is late at night so I don’t get to see much live racing.
I have recently joined your on line community to expand my experience of European racing and have found the numerous topics compelling reading.
However the discussion surrounding individual horses is often hard to find with limited debate.
I would enjoy opinionated discussion in your representatives, surely you have favorites and this leads to healthy debate.

cheers
Peter

[Snooperclyde]

COMEON as Leighton would say.

Line them up, or is the task too subjective?

What about Mad Rush V’s All The Good then.

[rory]

I’d have Mad Rush over All The Good although it’s a tight call; the latter has had a later start to his season which may benefit him for an Antipodean campaign, but Cumani is in a different league to Bin Suroor as a trainer.

[Anonymous]

Hiya Peter

It’s as difficult to be certain from here to there either. Without knowing the nature of the tracks, the quality of the opposition, or even what constitutes ‘good’ going in your part of the world, you’d really need one of our better travelled members to give an accurate view..
Full lifetime form is available for all European entrants under the search facility on the Racing Post website:
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/past_results.sd?crs=Prd&r_date=2008-10-12
and fwiw, here are their official ratings converted to Kilos.

Septimus 55.45kgs

Honolulu 53.18kgs

Alessandro Volta 52.77kgs

Yellowstone 50kgs

Mad rush 51.6kgs

All The Good 49.55 kgs

Varevees 50.91 kgs

Profound Beauty 49.09 kgs

Bauer 48.18kgs

In the CC, Mad Rush would probably need soft ground to perform to his best over 12f, while All The Good would be a little more versatile, neither is probably good enough.
I’d be amazed though, if Septimus couldn’t give 5kgs or so to the other European challengers in the MC; the ground is unlikely to be a problem, and he appears to have been trained specifically for the race by the top team in our part of the world.
They thought they’d have won a couple of years ago with Yeats if it hadn’t been a stop go-pace; Septimus would be just about his equal, possibly a little speedier, carries slightly less weight, and has the insurance of a couple of pacemakers from the same ownership to ensure no hanging about. Not much of a price at around 5/1 in the UK, but I’d be surprised if there’s a better horse in the field.

[Fist of Fury 2k8]

I was of the opinion this would always be a hard race to call before reading your post Reet. Now I am totally convinced it’s total finger burner.

Septimus being an O’Brien horse will have many followers and although I never lay horses I would advice anyone looking to make a few quid lay him for as much as you can.

Like you I just can’t see him winning

[Snooperclyde]

I’d have Mad Rush over All The Good although it’s a tight call; the latter has had a later start to his season which may benefit him for an Antipodean campaign, but Cumani is in a different league to Bin Suroor as a trainer.

Thanks Rory, they both made the final field for the Caulfield Cup and the barrier draw is tomorrow. I have had a splash on All The Good but I will put Mad Rush in with my novelty bets as well as you have them closely matched.

[Snooperclyde]

Hiya Peter

It’s as difficult to be certain from here to there either. Without knowing the nature of the tracks, the quality of the opposition, or even what constitutes ‘good’ going in your part of the world, you’d really need one of our better travelled members to give an accurate view..
Full lifetime form is available for all European entrants under the search facility on the Racing Post website:
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/past_results.sd?crs=Prd&r_date=2008-10-12
and fwiw, here are their official ratings converted to Kilos

Thanks reet hard this info has helped alot.

[Snooperclyde]

Hiya Peter

In the CC, Mad Rush would probably need soft ground to perform to his best over 12f, while All The Good would be a little more versatile, neither is probably good enough.
I’d be amazed though, if Septimus couldn’t give 5kgs or so to the other European challengers in the MC; the ground is unlikely to be a problem, and he appears to have been trained specifically for the race by the top team in our part of the world.
They thought they’d have won a couple of years ago with Yeats if it hadn’t been a stop go-pace; Septimus would be just about his equal, possibly a little speedier, carries slightly less weight, and has the insurance of a couple of pacemakers from the same ownership to ensure no hanging about. Not much of a price at around 5/1 in the UK, but I’d be surprised if there’s a better horse in the field.

I will have a quartet (pick four) with Septimus as a stand alone to win as insurance against him bringing his A form to Oz. The 58.5 is some concern but he clearly deserves the weight. I have also had a splash at All The Good in the MC due to the manner in which he won last start in the rerun of the Ebor. It made sense as Purple Moon went very close to winning the Cup after his Ebor Run. On face value the overall record of ATG seems below the standard required but his last win was high class.

[Aragorn]

I think he’s a very good horse but i’m not sure he’s quick enough. I would concentrate on the home horses.

[Anonymous]

Peter

What price would Septimus be over there, and would he be coupled with the other Coolmore runners on the Tab returns?

[Anonymous]

Aragorn

I reckon he’ll be quick enough alright.
Since his 3yo debut he has only been beaten twice in 7 races over 2m or less, once in his Derby debacle and the other when setting a stop/start pace in the Coronation Cup.
Be interesting to see how they justify the pacemakers though, in a jurisdiction where they’re supposed to be illegal?

[Snooperclyde]

Peter

What price would Septimus be over there, and would he be coupled with the other Coolmore runners on the Tab returns?

Super Tab @$6.50 = fav
Centrebet @$7.00
Eskander and Doublebet both @$7.50

Better odds than the UK.

On raceday you have the usual
Quinella 1st + 2nd any order
Exacta 1st + 2nd correct order
Trifecta 1+2+3 can include multiple runners in any order depending on your budget
Quartet 1+2+3+4 as per trifecta.

The quartet can pay more than 100k if some roughies come home

ie All The Good @40/1

[Snooperclyde]

Correct that All The Good 30/1 for Melbourne Cup

40/1 for Caulfield Cup this Saturday where he has Kerrin McEvoy aboard and for the lucky chinese, Cup is race 8, ATG is saddlecloth 8 and has drawn barrier 8. Will start favorite in Singapore!!!!

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