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… what would your choice be?
Canford Cliffs
Excelebration
Kingman
My tentative choice would be Kingman, though I wouldn’t feel too confident of the win.
Interesting question Ghost.
Timeform ratings of the three:
Canford Cliffs 133
Excelebration 133
Kingman 133p ("p" for could’ve probably shown better)Canford Cliffs had a good turn of foot but not imo quite like Kingman, who showed top class sprinting fractions in slowly run races. But then again, Canford Cliffs would be absolutely certain to get a strongly run mile, not so Kingman. On their form with Frankel there’s nothing to choose between Excelebration and Canford Cliffs. Excelebration would have no chance if the race developed in to a sprint, so liklihood of a strong pace is great; bringing the O’Brien horse back in to consideration.
On good ground over Ascot’s fair mile, with top jockeys on all three (is Joseph on Excelebration?): If I had to "choose one to win" (best chance) it’s Kingman, because we never really saw his limit and he’s just as good if not better than the other two. Just hope he’d last out. However, I’d probably "choose to back" one or the other of the other two (probably Canford Cliffs) because he/they would probably be under-estimated by the market, whilst Kingman is likely to be the over-bet short priced favourite.
Fair odds imo:
Kingman 5/4 (take 6/4 or bigger)
Canford Cliffs 5/2 (take 3/1 or bigger)
Excelebration 11/4 (take 100/30 or bigger)Value Is EverythingOn good ground over Ascot’s fair mile, with top jockeys on all three (is Joseph on Excelebration?): If I had to "choose one to win" (best chance) it’s Kingman, because we never really saw his limit and he’s just as good if not better than the other two. Just hope he’d last out. However, I’d probably "choose to back" one or the other of the other two (probably Canford Cliffs) because he/they would probably be under-estimated by the market, whilst Kingman is likely to be the over-bet short priced favourite.
I love Ginge. Not only does he have ideas about how an imaginary race might be run, he has ideas on how imaginary people might imaginarily bet IN the imaginary race and has concluded that these imaginary people would be imaginarily stupid.
Did you have a " special friend" when you were little Ginge? Do you STILL have him? Be honest.
And I know imaginarily isn’t a word before anyone says but it should be one and actually IS one in my imaginary world.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I love Ginge. Not only does he have ideas about how an imaginary race might be run, he has ideas on how imaginary people might imaginarily bet IN the imaginary race and has concluded that these imaginary people would be imaginarily stupid.
Did you have a " special friend" when you were little Ginge? Do you STILL have him? Be honest.
And I know imaginarily isn’t a word before anyone says but it should be one and actually IS one in my imaginary world.
It is an "imaginary" question Joni; deserving an imagination to answer. Be honest Joni, I also have a most logical mind. Even looking at imaginary questions in the most logical way possible. Hate to disappoint, but no I did not have an imaginary friend at school or anywhere else.
Logical minds do not tend to have "special friends". Besides… I was very happy being a loner. Kingman has a reputation far greater than either Canford Cliffs or Excelebration, he’s also the most recent in punter and bookmaker’s minds.
Excelebration had an enviable record, picking up loads of prizes and would’ve won many more without Frankel.
Canford Cliffs did not win as many races as his ability entitled him to. And although consistency is a factor, the Hannon horse’s punter/bookmaker following isn’t uppermost in punters minds. Only getting to his best in the year of his retirement; where as Excelebration was at his peak for longer.Value Is EverythingWell being a loner with that sort of imagination must come in handy sometimes…………
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Well being a loner with that sort of imagination must come in handy sometimes…………
Very much so Joni, but no longer needed.
Value Is EverythingInteresting question Ghost.
Timeform ratings of the three:
Canford Cliffs 133
Excelebration 133
Kingman 133p ("p" for could’ve probably shown better)Ginger wouldn’t a lot depend on who was the jockeys?
Professional gamblers don’t take jockeys into consideration RedRum77.
Ginger and betlarge don’t anyway.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
I did say:
On good ground over Ascot’s fair mile,
with top jockeys on all three (is Joseph on Excelebration?)
Nathan is right in that I do not think jockeys are as important as a lot of punters seem to believe. Athough in small fields they are usually more important because of (in most cases) there’s more of a chance of a slowly run race. However, that’s imo unlikely here.
My prices were for: James Doyle on Kingman, Richard Hughes on Canford Cliffs and Ryan (not Joseph) on Excelebration. Doyle is technically the "weaker" link, but we practically know how the race will be run anyway. Have allowed for Moore being on the likely front runner, he’s a good judge of pace. However, we know how the race is likely to be run and it is not as if Moore can play silly-buggers up front. ie If setting a slow pace and kicking for home, as he’s likely to be swamped for pace in the closing stages if that were the case. There’s also little chance of either Kingman or Canford Cliffs losing their chance by pulling too hard if pace is poor. He/Coolmore would know their best chance is to make it as severe a test as possible.
Value Is EverythingTimeform ratings of the three:
Canford Cliffs 133
Excelebration 133
Kingman 133pCaution key explained:-
"p"
– Indicates that the horse in question would have
p
155ed on the others in the race
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Hughes key explained :-
"p"
– potential non runner, Gosden walking course
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Professional gamblers don’t take jockeys into consideration RedRum77.
Ginger and betlarge don’t anyway.Well its a three horse race…..who could butcher the riding of a horse in that??
SHL
Professional gamblers don’t take jockeys into consideration RedRum77.
Ginger and betlarge don’t anyway.Not by choice Nathan, I would have loved to have taken into account all the possible variables of jockey analysis but there was only so many hours in the day. It was just a practical decision.
I tended to take the view that most jockeys rode to their standard most of the time (ditto with trainers preparing their horses) so I was more concerned with studying a horse’s form and a race’s shape.
Given a 28-hour, 8-day week, I would certainly have done more in that area.
Mike
Professional gamblers don’t take jockeys into consideration RedRum77.
Ginger and betlarge don’t anyway.Well its a three horse race…..who could butcher the riding of a horse in that??
Richard Hughes made a balls up on Toronado in the one horse race at the breeders cup………
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Logical minds do not tend to have "special friends". Besides… I was very happy being a loner. 
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