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“I never had a bet in any race in which Curley had a runner and it’s the same deal with various other trainers curently holding a licence.”
I am the same. I can think of at least two other Irish trainers where I would seldom if ever have a bet in a race when they have a runner.
There is one other trainer who I have heard interviewed twice by Nick Luck in recent weeks. I have heard straighter answers from politicians. If he got any more evasive he would have disappeared.
‘One such trainer was recently moaning about the weakness of betting markets and how he couldn’t “get a decent bet on” nowadays.’
The same trainers of course who ‘have no idea why the price went from 50/1 to 4/7, I only had 50p each way on for a bit of interest’.
‘Anyone who makes a hero out of trainers who operate this way needs to take a long, hard, look at themselves because it’s not just bookies who get hit when these grubby coups get landed, it’s also every punter who tried to back the winner using a form book.’
Even the title of the YouTube video that Cork posted is guilty of that. The bookmakers may be ‘floored’ but where do they think the money comes from?
I wasn’t much of a racing journalist, heart wasn’t in it most of the time, other things going on in my life, made loads of simple mistakes and tbh it was a miracle I never got sacked – I’d have sacked myself at least ten times.
But at least I didn’t crawl up anyone’s backside, or tow the industry line – for me it was journalism, NOT public relations for the sport.
I mute all broadcast racing media coverage for a reason – it’s beyond dreadful.
Nick Luck and Lydia Hislop are decent people, ditto Greg Wood (the best IMO but then he has the relative luxury of a free speech platform at The Guardian) and Chris Cook, that bit less free now he’s at the Racing Post, but even they are limited in what they feel able to say and none of them really understands the machinations of the betting industry and sees the real underbelly of racing.
I love the game, but it’s not far short of a cesspit at times and even at the more palatable top end there are legion conflicts of interest.
The Flat and NH Pattern Committees are full of journalists, for example, so no wonder the BHA never gets any criticism.
Loads of journalists are effectively a part of the industry they are writing about.
Love racing, don’t love (hence mute) the people in racing.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Do we think the BHA effectively forced the hand of the IHRB by banning Irish runners in low grade UK handicaps
I believe this ban has been lifted recently likely due to assurances from the IHRB they’d be cracking down on some of the activities of their trainers
Declan Queally forgot about the stable staff bonus scheme
“Trainer Declan Queally has been fined €4,000 by an Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board referrals committee after issues surrounding his distribution of a stable staff bonus scheme linked to prize-money.
The panel also imposed a six-month removal of the Waterford-based trainer’s licence but suspended that withdrawal for a period of 12 months subject to the IHRB’s satisfaction that he was in full compliance with the rule related to employee bonuses.
Ireland’s Stable Employee Bonus Scheme is financed by a three per cent deduction from all prize-money, with those funds paid to trainers quarterly before being distributed to all registered employees.
Amounts paid to each member of staff are agreed by all employees, based on a written agreement, with the details lodged through the IHRB.
An IHRB inspection team visited Queally’s yard unannounced in May 2021 after an anonymous letter to the regulator complaining at his distribution of the employee scheme money.
At last week’s referral, Queally accepted that misleading information had been provided to the IHRB relating to the stable staff initiative, and that the “funds had not been distributed in accordance with the agreement or as per the quarterly returns made to the IHRB as required”.
Queally said the errors made were “unintentional and due to a lack of understanding of the workings of the scheme”, adding he had no full-time staff at the time in question and believed it was only permanent employees who qualified for the payment.
The trainer, who saddled Western Victory to land Listed hurdle events in 2019 and 2021, confirmed that although the returns made by him declared his stable staff received the scheme money, those funds were not given.
Queally was found to have acted in a manner prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct or good reputation of horseracing and “supplied misleading information to a racing official”. He was fined €3,000 for this breach.
A further €1,000 fine was imposed due to breaches around his non-payment of the bonus money and failing to display a completed copy of the trainer-employee agreement in a staff working area.”
Who among us hasn’t been given a wheelbarrow full of cash and told to distribute it to others and forgot and accidentally trousered it instead?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"‘adding he had no full-time staff at the time in question and believed it was only permanent employees who qualified for the payment.’
One can be a permanent member of staff without being full time. I work with many such people.
He has no full time staff …… I’m amazed he has any , saw a video recently of the pipe yard talking about how they have staff on shifts working around there kids schooling, staff been there 20/30 years …it ain’t brain surgery
If I was in charge at the BHA several big trainers would be put on notice that they would be prevented from having runners in grade 1 handicaps if they continued their obvious plotting tactics. It bothers me far more than smaller outfits making a mockery out of low grade and low turnover races.
If you were in charge of the BHA, ep1987, you’d have made the field size crisis more acute. What constitutes an obvious plotting tactic? They can scarcely govern the sport as it is!
Obvious manipulation can be proven fairly easily by taking the performance ratings put up by each trainer’s top finishing horse in class 1 handicaps compared with their previous runs. The sample size is definitely large enough for some fairly robust data analysis and would show who was responsible for the most outlier improvements.
Sure; the best trainers may have the luxury of sending graded performers who are down their pecking order to these races but again, those horses are supposed to run on their merits to establish a handicap mark. Elliott and Mullins sending horses over to Cheltenham to plunder the valuable handicaps at a rate which defies credibility needs to be stopped.
Handicap steamers in small races are one thing; but when high turnover races are subject to guessing which of a trainer’s multiple entries is the main plot then betting interest in said races will slowly diminish and accelerate the decline of national hunt racing.
“Obvious manipulation can be proven fairly easily by taking the performance ratings put up by each trainer’s top finishing horse in class 1 handicaps compared with their previous runs. The sample size is definitely large enough for some fairly robust data analysis and would show who was responsible for the most outlier improvements.”
Could you provide some recent examples of this “obvious manipulation” that can be “proven fairly easily”.
I don’t really follow jumps racing so have no idea if you are right or wrong in your previous assertion but I would be interested to learn more.
One of his great fix-it-horses won today at Dundalk! Dreal Deal, who I’m sure many will remember from a couple of years ago hacked up today over 2m.
Dreal Deal is entered again on the flat on Wednesday but more interestingly he has one other horse with an entry – The Jam Man (another of his classic fix-it horses) entered at Navan in the 1.30 on Sunday……I certainly wouldn’t be happy backing any of the other runners in that race!
Dream deal went from 84 to 145 and won a grade 2 over hurdles in 5 months
Not very subtle that ronan
Good old Ronan may have a couple of runners for us over the coming days with Vee Dancer entered on both the 1st and 2nd Jan and The Jam Man entered on 2nd Jan also.
If you think you’re getting warned off, you might as well go down all guns blazing.
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