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  • #3969
    marling
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    I look forward to reading the stewards’ report into the race…

    #91762
    marling
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    Alternatively, perhaps Betfair could use their sophistocated tracing capabilities (the ones that Mark Davies was extolling the virtues of the other week) in order to discover the identity of who was laying the horse to such a degree.

    Then again, I won’t hold my breath.<br>

    (Edited by marling at 3:02 pm on June 10, 2003)

    #91763
    Smithy
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    Nothing untoward here – the horse doesn’t like fast ground!!

    The delightful Platinum Racing Club must think everyone is really rather silly – still, no doubt they won’t have to worry about an enquiry.

    And before Mr Potts confirms that the horse is a cripple with a history of problems as long as a Gerald Delamere summary, would he suggest that there is anything irregular about the horses owned by this syndicate?

    #91764
    marling
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    Below are the contact details for the Jockey Club should anyone want to tip off the bunch of coffin dodgers at Portman Square about these cowboys.  Rather undermines John Maxse’s claims that there is no problem with allowing owners to lay their own horse on the exchanges.

    Tel: 0207 486 4921<br>Fax: 0207 935 8703<br>E-mail: info@thejockeyclub.co.uk<br>

    #91765
    Smithy
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    Come off it Marling – they were only covering their travelling expenses!!!!;)

    #91766
    marling
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    Ah yes, of course – far be it for me to deprive them of a pleasant day out at the races…:biggrin:

    #91767
    rory
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    Joking aside, the repercussions of this are enormous for racing ~ I’m thinking Panorama expose here. Surely the JC have got the power to suspend the running of certain owners’ horses pending investigation. If they don’t, they’ll soon wish they had. This will be front page news tomorrow ~ Racing Post for sure, but possibly featuring large in some of the red tops in "Racing Corruption Scandal" type headlines.

    #91768
    marling
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    For what it’s worth, I’ve just sent an email to the JC about this.  More in hope than expectation as some people are suggesting that there is no jurisdiction to properly investigate such incidents – is this right??

    #91769
    marling
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    Just received this email from the JC:

    "Dear Sir,

    Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. I understand that the matter has been spotted on course and the stewards are holding an enquiry down there.

    I have furthermore forwarded your email to our Security Department for their immediate attention.

    Yours sincerely,

    Owen Byrne<br>Assistant Public Relations Officer"

    Have to say I’m pretty impressed at the speed of the response and, indeed, by the fact that they actually bothered to reply at all – doubt that would have happened 5 years ago.

    What comes of the enquiry though is another matter…

    #91770
    Nick Hatton
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    I’ve been discussing this on the Betfair forum and I’m glad to see that this has received attention here.

    I too e-mailed the jockey club security department and got a similar response to marling. Hopefully something will actually be done for a change. This was the most blatant non-trier I think I have EVER seen.

    R Post 8/1.<br>25 to PLACE !!

    An absolute disgrace.

    #91771
    Nick Hatton
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    It’s just occured to me that this would be right up Big Mac’s street. Has anyone got an e-mail for him ?

    #91772
    JAMES321
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    They should have been given the benefit of the doubt on the first occasion with their horse but maybe a fine should beckon now.

    I have put firmly in my notebook one of Kevin Ryan’s named Uhoomagoo. This horse happens to be owned by Platinum Racing Club however he caught my eye sufficient to say as a non trier last time and question his previus efforts which resemble similar circumstances to this last run.

    At Chester last year he was given an ordinary ride from stall eleven and was very easy to back on the exchanges , he manged to claim a well beaten 8th although next time out the trainer changed to visor’s from blinkers and scooted home by 2l and was heavily punted ino 11/2. On his latest start this season he ran down the field , in fact finished 8th although as again never found any real running room (as intended). To my eyes Kevin Ryan will use the same ploy to change back to visor’s after running him in blinkers last time. I noticed him amongst the entries for Goodwood later this week which they may need to win to ensure him getting a run for his Royal Ascot engagements.

    #91773
    stevedvg
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    I’m the main doubter TDK is aluding to re the Musselburgh race.

    He and I had a (respectful) ding-dong afterwards where I pretty much played devil’s advocate to his suspicions.

    (the thread was titled "Platinum Racing" for those interested)

    Alan Potts also had some interesting comments to make (see the thread "Economics of the Madhouse").

    I was reluctant to give a guilty verdict after one race, but now the evidence is building.

    When I saw it was running today and was at shortish odds at lunchtime (6-1 maybe), I got onto Betfair with the intention of laying it (which I almost never do).

    However, someone got there before me.

    Maybe, as Smithy said (somewhat tongue in cheek, I suspect), it just hates fast ground and someone is using that fact to lay it big time.

    That’s the basis on which I would have laid it. But, then, I wouldn’t have laid it to anything like those prices.

    I agree that there’s something strange going on here.

    However, my questions is: precisely what do you think is going on?

    We’ve got a horse that’s won on the AW twice recently but has run some stinkers on turf when laid for big money at big odds

    The owners coughed up good money to keep it after a recent seller.    

    What exactly do you think they are playing at? And why?

    Steve<br>

    #91774
    stevedvg
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    On the RP site:

    Jockey Club to investigate Nimello run<br>

    by William Hayler<br> <br>JOCKEY CLUB investigators are to examine the running and riding of Nimello, who finished down the field at Salisbury on Tuesday. <br>    <br>   The gelding, ridden by Paul Fessey, finished 13th of the 20 runners in the Salisbury Race Sponsorship Claiming Stakes whena 12-1 chance. <br>    <br>   Easy to back on course, Nimello was steadied coming out of the starting stalls and never reached a challenging position under Fessey. <br>    <br>   A stewards’ inquiry was called by the racecourse who after three hours ultimately referred the matter to Portman Square, so that the case could be fully investigated. <br>    <br>Nimello’s trainer Kevin Ryan, has already been punished over the running and riding of another horse, Cd Europe this year. <br>    <br>And other horses owned like Nimello, by the Platinum Racing Club, and trained by Ryan have been investigated over allegations of irregular betting patterns. <br>    <br>Ironically, the case comes on the same day that the Jockey Club had announced the completion of a "memorandum of understanding" between themselves and betting exchanges Betfair and Sporting Options, which will allow the account of punters using the exchanges to back and lay horses to be further investigated. It comes into effect from next week. <br>    <br>   Irregular movements in the betting market were a feature of Tuesday’s race. <br>    <br>   "There were abnormal betting patterns which our monitoring system picked up on and the stewards at Salisbury were notified of this," explained Jockey Club public relations director John Maxse. <br>    <br>   "By referring the case to Portman Square it means we can put together a report on the race and decide whether any further action needs to be taken." <br>    <br>   Nimello, the winner of the Lincoln Handicap in 2001, has run inconsistently this season winning his last two races when favourite on both occasions, but running notably poorly at Musselburgh in March when the veterinary officer reported him to be lame afterwards. He was also reported to have finished lame after Tuesday’s race. <br>   <br> <br>

    #91775
    nore
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    I’m not sure what this sort of busybody do-gooding is aiming to achieve for racing.

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