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Just saw the replay; looked to me that Ruby was going for a gap which closed on him, but he was already committed to going forward at that point. He’d already been cut up a bit on the bend. If anything thought it was more the fault of the horse on the outside.
Exactly Moehat – Ruby went for a gap and it shut on him, not HF or Ruby’s fault – careless from the horse on the outside if anything.
Just watched the race for the first time.
I concede I’m a little bit biased, but any interference was marginal in my opinion, and it would have been a joke if they had lobbed the winner out.
This horse
will
win the 2010 Champion Hurdle. Assuming he stays sound, he is bullet-proof in every other department.
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With Go Natives proven stamina over the trip it was baffling that Carberry allowed it to develop into a sprint, its hardly a secret the fav has plenty of gears is it?
Go Native is incapable of going for home early, though possibly could have been closer. Idles badly in front, possibly due to the way he’s always trained and ridden.
Looking at many of Paul Carberry’s rides / Noel Meade’s an awful lot seem to idle and / or find little.
Mark
Ok it’s time for confession Ginge.How many bottles of Johnnie Walker did you drink today?
Go Native went for home of the bend at Cheltenhamdid he not? He won didn’t he? He may have stopped a bitin front but how many horses do when they hit the rising ground. I’m not saying he didn’t idlea bit but that ride and the tactics today were a downright disgrace and gave the horse absolutely no chance of winning.
Ibacked Hurricane Fly butI was wait wait waiting for Meade’s second string to quickenthe pace and hitthe front and couldnd believeGo Native was bringing up the rear…….sh!t he was even giving Hurricane Fly a start the silley beggar must have thought he was riding Nijinsky.
As far as the enquiry was concerned I never thought for one minute Ruby was in the wrong. Didn’t look dangerous at all to me. They did come close together but Iwas suprised to read your comments and thought you were making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Keep of the sauce brother your bad enough sober
We are also ly judging him to a large extent on one run – there is is nothing special in the Donna’s Palm form albeit in a falsely run race.
I beg to differ.
I am personally judging him based on his hammering the Supreme Novices winner 10L without having to come off the bridle. The Donnas Palm form is completely irrelevant, because it was left miles behind at Christmas.
Strange, you say you disagree then go on to confirm exactly what I was saying?
By "Donnas Palm form" you presumably meant when that horse finished second to HF at Fairyhouse, beaten a neck – rather than when he was cuffed 40-odd lengths at Leopardstown – otherwise why would you even mention the form as "nothing special".
Make your mind up which race you want to use as your point of reference, and then I’ll tell you whether I agree with you or not.
This horse
will
win the 2010 Champion Hurdle. Assuming he stays sound, he is bullet-proof in every other department.
Good luck to you if you are correct – a huge serving of humble pie should be on the menu if you are wrong.
Today’s race was a virtual non-event. Go Native and El Dancer clearly did not reproduce their Festival winning performances. In fact Riverside Theatre improved past El Dancer on unsuitable ground and he would probably be about three stone off winning a Champion Hurdle.
Hurricane Fly may win a Champion Hurdle but at present I wouldn’t back him at a double figure price let alone the current odds. Before forming a proper opinion I would want to see him up against Champion Hurdle horses rather than what may be a very average bunch of novices. Two other doubts – he is unproven round Cheltenham and I also wonder how his jumping would measure up in a better race.
Go Native went for home of the bend at Cheltenhamdid he not? He won didn’t he? He may have stopped a bitin front but how many horses do when they hit the rising ground. I’m not saying he didn’t idlea bit but that ride and the tactics today were a downright disgrace and gave the horse absolutely no chance of winning.
Completely agree Fist. I’m still scratching my head to be honest.
He’s won an undulating track twice – Punchestown, a track with an incline – Auteuil. On good, good to soft, heavy, very soft.
He goes on all grounds – he handles 2m to 2m 4f, he can go at any pace and he’s in the best yard in Ireland.
There’s nothing outside of Mullins yard that will get near him at Cheltenham.
Good luck to you if you are correct – a huge serving of humble pie should be on the menu if you are wrong.
Today’s race was a virtual non-event. Go Native and El Dancer clearly did not reproduce their Festival winning performances. In fact Riverside Theatre improved past El Dancer on unsuitable ground and he would probably be about three stone off winning a Champion Hurdle.
Hurricane Fly may win a Champion Hurdle but at present I wouldn’t back him at a double figure price let alone the current odds. Before forming a proper opinion I would want to see him up against Champion Hurdle horses rather than what may be a very average bunch of novices. Two other doubts – he is unproven round Cheltenham and I also wonder how his jumping would measure up in a better race.
Fair enough, stilvi. Humble-pie I can more than handle.
For me, I will overlook today’s form, and concentrate on the quality of the performance (where he yet again put the race to bed in a matter of strides) placed in the context of similarly appealing and effortless victory against no less than the Supreme Novices winner.
As far as next years Champion Hurdle is concerned, if I may ask…..when exactly
do
you plan to give him a chance in the race? Because you won’t see him run at Cheltenham before the Champion Hurdle, and he is unlikely to meet too many ‘Champion Hurdle’ horses in Ireland (with the possible exception of Solwhit – Quevega will be kept away from him, imo).
Pick as many holes in Hurricane Fly’s form as you want, and back whoever horse you want for the next Champion Hurdle. I’m not asking anyone else to back him – I just strongly believe that he is the real deal, and I’m not usually prone to hyperbole so far as racehorses are concerned.
There was no gap, and there wasn’t suddenly a gap and then there wasn’t.
There was no gap, then next minute, Ruby just squeezes between the 2 horses because he knew there was no other way out at that time, Hurricane Fly was boxed in for a lot of the latter stages.
There was no gap to go for, he made his own gap and then went for it.
He’s a cert for the CH…he won that easy today despite Ruby making it hard for him…..with a clear run he’d have won more like 16l ! ps I wouldn’t be using El Dancer as any kind of yard stick though…. he’s not in the same parish, and will not go on to compete with the big boys next year.
I look forward to shouting home the fly next march.
Anyone who knows their horses,would have to be impressed with the Hurricanes performance today, it was visually impressive! You could argue
that the Hurricane and Binocular have similarities in that they travel with
ease and can distance themselves from the field without seemingly being
asked a question! But i have said all year that Binocular would find Celestial a different proposition to get pass when they meet the hill at
Cheltenham and so it proved! Now i have been ranting on about the Hurricane being a good thing for the Supreme nov at Cheltenham until he was injured,and i believe he would have been a certainty to have won it,
the form confirms that! But it will only take one dissapointing run against
one of the big boys and his price will go out to 10/1, so i would not take
3/1 about a novice who has never raced against a Celestial Halo in earnest.
There is one thing for sure Ruby who has ridden both knows if the Hurricane is the real deal, i shall ask him next time i see him!- Total Posts 17716
This horse
will
win the 2010 Champion Hurdle. Assuming he stays sound, he is bullet-proof in every other department.
Good luck to you if you are correct – a huge serving of humble pie should be on the menu if you are wrong.
Today’s race was a virtual non-event. Go Native and El Dancer clearly did not reproduce their Festival winning performances. In fact Riverside Theatre improved past El Dancer on unsuitable ground and he would probably be about three stone off winning a Champion Hurdle.
Hurricane Fly may win a Champion Hurdle but at present I wouldn’t back him at a double figure price let alone the current odds. Before forming a proper opinion I would want to see him up against Champion Hurdle horses rather than what may be a very average bunch of novices. Two other doubts – he is unproven round Cheltenham and I also wonder how his jumping would measure up in a better race.
You are talking a lot of sense Stilvi but the ease in which he is winning these events surely points him in the direction of Cheltenham as a main contender. If they went 10’s in the local bookies in the Uk the government would have to call for state of emegency
I was a lot more impressed with him today as I was last time.The race was very tight in the closing stages and he never flinched an inch and drew away from them with even less effort this time.
Of course Cheltenham is a completely different ball game and when something like Celestial Halo is setting the pace Hurricane Fly could find himself in trouble very easily. That remains to be seen.
There was definitely no Binocular’s Punjabi’s or Celestials there today and the bookies have really gone over the top as ussual. 7/2 is a joke.
I backed him to lay him and I will if he hasn’t met and beaten any of the main contenders before March.
I don’t think he’ll go UK side until Cheltenham though. If he runs into the likes of Jered Hardy or Sublimity and beats them as easily???
That’s all the excuse the bookies will need and if you think he is bad value now wait till then.
As sure as God made little green apples he’ll be a 7/4 shot in the blink of an eye.
I believe the lads are on upwards of 8’s they must be well chuffed with that.
As much as I am still in Binny’s camp that worried me today and if someone offered me double figures HF I’d take their arm of at the shoulder
Anyone who knows their horses,would have to be impressed with the Hurricanes performance today, it was visually impressive! You could argue
that the Hurricane and Binocular have similarities in that they travel with
ease and can distance themselves from the field without seemingly being
asked a question! But i have said all year that Binocular would find Celestial a different proposition to get pass when they meet the hill at
Cheltenham and so it proved! Now i have been ranting on about the Hurricane being a good thing for the Supreme nov at Cheltenham until he was injured,and i believe he would have been a certainty to have won it,
the form confirms that! But it will only take one dissapointing run against
one of the big boys and his price will go out to 10/1, so i would not take
3/1 about a novice who has never raced against a Celestial Halo in earnest.
There is one thing for sure Ruby who has ridden both knows if the Hurricane is the real deal, i shall ask him next time i see him!Binocular and Hurricane Fly are not remotely similar. Hurricane Fly gets two miles standing on his head, indeed he has won over further than 2m4f.
It will be interesting to see how tough a decision Ruby has to choose between HF and CH.
Good luck TAPK – I hope he’s honest with you as IMO PT should be back on board for The Hurricane’s next race. He’ll always be available (barring injury/suspension) to ride him and has a great raport with the horse, you saw the pickle that Ruby got into today – no such problems for Townend.
Anyone who knows their horses,would have to be impressed with the Hurricanes performance today, it was visually impressive! You could argue
that the Hurricane and Binocular have similarities in that they travel with
ease and can distance themselves from the field without seemingly being
asked a question! But i have said all year that Binocular would find Celestial a different proposition to get pass when they meet the hill at
Cheltenham and so it proved! Now i have been ranting on about the Hurricane being a good thing for the Supreme nov at Cheltenham until he was injured,and i believe he would have been a certainty to have won it,
the form confirms that! But it will only take one dissapointing run against
one of the big boys and his price will go out to 10/1, so i would not take
3/1 about a novice who has never raced against a Celestial Halo in earnest.
There is one thing for sure Ruby who has ridden both knows if the Hurricane is the real deal, i shall ask him next time i see him!Binocular and Hurricane Fly are not remotely similar. Hurricane Fly gets two miles standing on his head, indeed he has won over further than 2m4f.
It will be interesting to see how tough a decision Ruby has to choose between HF and CH.
dont forget quevega if she runs a big race in the irish champion on friday then thats another one for ruby to rattle his brain with.
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