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Ok just getting into horse-racing, but I certainly need to increase my knowledge of all aspects of it.
Where’s the best place to learn?
Any decent books to read?Cause I’m getting confused at the betting odds, stats,
You are probably in one of the best places already, but read every thing you can find, either on line or hard copy, don’t believe every thing though!
If you ask specific questions on here someone will answer it and then you will see another person contradict them, but it’s not an exact science. Finding winners is more of an art form; I presume that is what you want to do?
Never ever buy tips or systems, if they were any good they would not be for sale!I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysThank you?
Guess I’ll be studying the race this afternoon, and noting down some questions.
I go for ladies day at a race for a friend hen-weekend, and come away with a new found if not confused interest in horse-racing
Hi there. Welcome to the forum.
You will find most of your questions can be answered here – just fire away.
Also, I write a blog as someone learning myself on another website run by the BHA which you may find useful ; along with several others from first season racegoers to jockey David Crosse and trainer Amy Weaver. So you can learn by following one or several blogs. Also the site itself has many features for those new to Racing; such as a dynamic comic book style strip to explain some of odds and terms; to tips on what to wear:-lovetheraces.com
Enjoy and welcome to a great sport!! xx
Hello and welcome to the madness
The best advice for a newcomer is to watch and learn , get the 2 books by Alan Potts , who is a poster on here , read then and re read them , they are a bit out of date, the game has moved on but the principles are exactly the same
Do not bet with your own money for 12 months , operate with a mythical bank , watch the racing and then specialise in what form you find suitable
Study racing as much as you can , and if you get the chance go and watch it live if you can afford that
Save for A BETTING bank , and then operate from this , never ever bet with money that you cannot afford
good luck
Ricky
There’s a lot of debate over which books represent the Racing Literary Canon, but the University of South Ascot’s reading list probably contains the consensus view:
Alan Potts,
The Inside Track
Alan Potts,Against the Crowd
Dave Nevison,A Bloody Good Winner
Dave Nevison,No Easy Money
Nick Mordin,Mordin on Time
Nick Mordin,Betting for a Living
Nick Mordin,Winning Without Thinking
Timeform,Betting the Timeform Way
Jack Houghton,Winning on Betfair for Dummies (1st ed)
Charles Sydney,The Art of Legging
Howard Wright,Bull
Mark Coton,Value Betting
Bob Wilkins,Bioenergetics and Racehorse Ratings
Hello
,PM me with an email address and I will send you a free e-book by the proprietors of Racing System Builder, it is a little dated but an excellent, detailed exposition of the problems facing punters.
good stuff Glen ….jUST A polite reminder , isin’t it high time we had a beverage with the King of Sheep ……plus a few of the usual suspects
cheers
Ricky
There’s nothing better for me than actually going to the races and looking at the horses in the ring. I’m certainly no paddock expert, but sometimes you can spot a horse that is obviously fit to run for it’s life, and it’s not always the favourite. The only book that I know of that covers paddock watching is Nick Mordins ‘The Winning Look’ but if anyone knows of any others please let me know.
Hello and welcome to the madness
The best advice for a newcomer is to watch and learn , get the 2 books by Alan Potts , who is a poster on here , read then and re read them , they are a bit out of date, the game has moved on but the principles are exactly the same
Do not bet with your own money for 12 months , operate with a mythical bank , watch the racing and then specialise in what form you find suitable
Study racing as much as you can , and if you get the chance go and watch it live if you can afford that
Save for A BETTING bank , and then operate from this , never ever bet with money that you cannot afford
good luck
Ricky
What? How dull. Jump right in with real money! Bet with what you can afford to lose without keeping you awake at night if you’ve lost.
Just being involved, reading the papers and watching racing regularly and checking results will gain knowledge.
good stuff Glen ….jUST A polite reminder , isin’t it high time we had a beverage with the King of Sheep ……plus a few of the usual suspects
cheers
Ricky
I’ve spoken to him on the batphone quite recently, he’s laying low in Wayne Manor at present. But have no fear, wheels are being set in motion Ricky.
spotted the horse in your avatar? You have your own?
erm racing wise, i find that trying to follow the racing every day, looking at form on ground and different surfaces, which jockeys the horse goes best for and what track the horses seem to go best on. I can empathise. Been a long term national hunt lover, but got really into my flat racing this season, and far more recently (blaming the other half for this!) international, esp US racing, so every days still a school day for me in that respect. As trappy as is it, looking at the Kerry National was nice as it felt very much in my comfort zone and i knew what i was talking about!!
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Can I add to the bookshelf:
100 Hints for Better Betting, Mark Coton
(having read that and applied its discipline to my own punting I picked three 10/1 or thereabouts winners in successive races – at Wolverhampton for heaven’s sake!)
It contains THE rule for me: don’t punt if you haven’t read the form for every horse in the race. By no means will it save you from backing losers but it will save thousands in silly bets.The Punter’s Friend by Jack Waterman – a friendly introduction, with bet types, odds explained etc
If you get a taste for the history and literature of the sport:
The Turf, Alan Ross
The History of Steeplechasing by Michael Seth-Smith
The History of the Derby Stakes, Roger Mortimer
Pelican Book of Horse Racing, Dennis Craig
Flat Racing by Lt-Col P Ricketts
Sods I Have Cut on the Turf by Jack Leach
Eclipse by Nicholas Clee
Talking Horses by Jeffery Bernard (funny)Can I add to the bookshelf:
If you get a taste for the history and literature of the sport:
The Turf, Alan Ross
The History of Steeplechasing by Michael Seth-Smith
The History of the Derby Stakes, Roger Mortimer
Pelican Book of Horse Racing, Dennis Craig
Flat Racing by Lt-Col P Ricketts
Sods I Have Cut on the Turf by Jack Leach
Eclipse by Nicholas Clee
Talking Horses by Jeffery Bernard (funny)Breeding the Racehorse by Frederico Tesio is well worth adding to any racing library.
There is no substitute for going racing and looking at the horses yourself. Only get involved if you actually love the sport, if you think it is a way of making money then you are almost certainly doomed to failure.
Finally, while it has been stated here before it is most definitely worth reiteration; only ever bet what you know you can afford to lose.
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Ok just getting into horse-racing, but I certainly need to increase my knowledge of all aspects of it.
Where’s the best place to learn?
Any decent books to read?Cause I’m getting confused at the betting odds, stats,
This link might be useful.
http://horseracing.about.com/od/helpfor … inners.htm
Hope this helps.
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The best book I have came across on how To facilitate picking winners is a book called Spot The Winner written by Ivor Herbert (trainer of a Cheltenham Gold Cup winner)
Fabulous book with stunning original drawings, grabbed a copy for 10 pence at a library sale.
My advice (if Reet forgives me) is:
Forget about backing winners and concentrate on finding value. Remembering short priced horses can be value too.
If successful in finding it you will back enough winners to make a profit.
For any Timeform student, an old book called Betting The Timeform Way is ideal. Find it on ebay.
Value Is Everything
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