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    ricky lakericky lake
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    69 horses set to contest 7 races at Bath tomorrow , for a total prize fund of 23k

    I reckon it will cost at least 400 quid to get each one there with lad/lass / driver etc per horse , so owners stump up 28k in search of 29k …..

    How does this work folks

    cheers

    Ricky

    #369975
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    How does this work folks

    It’s called

    Paying for your Pleasure

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    Ricky

    , and it’s what the idle rich have been doing for millennia. So no shame in that.

    On your figures, the odds are as at least as good as for an office sweepstake, too. What’s the problem?

    #369979
    RedRum77RedRum77
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    A trainer might save on cost by transporting several horses together.

    #369983
    Robert Gibbs
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    I’m sorry but what a very silly thread. Completely flawed reasoning, but I do find it amusing that you chose Bath and not Newcastle!

    #369993
    ricky lakericky lake
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    To those that have chosen to miss the point , I am firmly of the view that we should have no flat racing at all today , scrap the dross at Bath and Newcastle , its simply bookie fodder , and in truth degenerates the game by the day

    Scrap it please

    Ricky

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    Ricky

    Assuming you consider that these cuts are necessary across the board, how many horses would you be willing to home? I might find space for one in the back garden at North Towers, but it might scare the Suzy and Lucy Pussycat…

    Alternatively, if owners are willing to pay for the pleasure of racing horses, and few people are likely to get rich out of owning racehorses why should their pleasure be denied by order of ‘ricky lake’? People aren’t required to bet on them anyway, and if they weren’t able to then there a goodly proportion of the betting population would be only too happy to p*** their money away some other way.

    Yes there is too much racing, but ultimately the industry sustains as much as those who pay to run in it are prepared to pay for. Am I to believe that if you suddenly found a pot of money to quadruple the prize money at every course then the racing at Bath today would be any ‘better’?

    Rob

    P.S. I note there’s no shortage of runners at Newcastle.

    #369998
    ricky lakericky lake
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    Rob , fair enough points taken , sure it is down to the owners and you are right there are loads of them with low grade horses

    My point is its horrible racing full stop,there is too much of it that’s all , however if owners continue to support it then it will continue , even if the courses reduce prize money even further , which they will do , however at some point market forces will come into play ,then this merry lot will be burgers in France…as most will be slaughtered, which is another topic …….

    Ricky

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    Ricky

    , I don’t suppose many will disagree about the prolixity of low standard races, especially on the All Weather. However, today’s Bath card is not a great stick with which to beat up either the BHA, or the racecourse.

    Bath "is what it is": and today’s racing, at a pleasant turf venue in the English countryside, will bring pleasure to many besides the bookmakers. The 2yo races are not all that appalling, either.

    The siphoning off of nearly all Class 3 and above races to Saturdays is the real problem here – if the good races were more equally spread around the week, I don’t suppose we’d perceive much of a problem about today’s fare.

    #370003
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    It was always said "No good horse ever won on a Monday" while I’m sure that isnt true, it doesnt miss the target by much.
    I am, of course, referring to racing in the United Kingdom.

    #370007
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    As indicated in the RP article last week the more our racing is dominated by poor quality and poor prize money the more horses will be sold abroad if any good.
    We are just lucky our racing recently has always been shored up by the Maktoum family and should keep our fingers crossed it continues.

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    I think one of the things that non-owners don’t appreciate about poor quality racing is that by and large owners don’t buy a horse in the expectation of ending up running exclusively in such races.

    Almost all owners buy horses hoping they will be better than class 6 horses but the reality is that the horse population is a pyramid with only a small number of group class animals and a lot of poorer ones. That’s just the genetic reality of breeding.

    Continually describing class 6 races as ‘bookie fodder’ also completely misses the important point that it is also ‘trainer fodder’, ‘stable lad fodder’, ‘racecourse fodder’, ‘jockey fodder’, ‘punter fodder’, ‘racegoer fodder’, ‘breeder fodder’ and ‘owner fodder’. All aspects of the industry require a certain volume of activity to survive.

    One thing is for certain, if there is a dramatic reduction in class 6 races then the only element of the industry that will manage to carry on regardless will be the bookies.

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    A lot of hitting of nails on heads in Tuffers’ post, and in particular;

    Almost all owners buy horses hoping they will be better than class 6 horses but the reality is that the horse population is a pyramid with only a small number of group class animals and a lot of poorer ones. That’s just the genetic reality of breeding.

    As such, I’ve always been a bit nonplussed by the inferences of some posters (none on this thread yet, though, as far as I can make out) that a cull of lower-class races is somehow going to realise an instant positive effect on the quality of the equine gene pool.

    Continually describing class 6 races as ‘bookie fodder’ also completely misses the important point that it is also ‘trainer fodder’, ‘stable lad fodder’, ‘racecourse fodder’, ‘jockey fodder’, ‘punter fodder’, ‘racegoer fodder’, ‘breeder fodder’ and ‘owner fodder’. All aspects of the industry require a certain volume of activity to survive.

    Quite. As regards "punter fodder" specifically, the fact that even the four- and five-runner events at Fontwell yesterday were each drawing in over half a million quid of win market bets alone on Betfair (to say nothing of the likes of A versus B-type markets) suggests someone other than the bookies cares they exist. I imagine figures at least as voluminous on today’s action, even in the most numerically thinly contested events.

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    P.S. I note there’s no shortage of runners at Newcastle.

    The tally of 126 is;

    – just nine shy of the maximum stabling capacity at Gosforth Park,

    – the highest total for this corresponding fixture since its inception in 2001 (with one abandonment in this time). Indeed, the total for it has only ever broken triple figures once before.

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #370022
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    As regards "punter fodder" specifically, the fact that even the four- and five-runner events at Fontwell yesterday were each drawing in over half a million quid of win market bets alone on Betfair (to say nothing of the likes of A versus B-type markets) suggests someone other than the bookies cares they exist.

    Indeed, and what pray is wrong with Newton Abbot’s card today, save perhaps for the preponderance of handicaps? It looks to me an archetypal weekday National Hunt card; the sort we’ve been offered for ever and a day, and as such for this spectator and punter not "fodder" but the nourishing and satiating ploughman’s lunch with best bitter that is an essential and distinctive little slice of Englishness. Treasure it I say.

    Two seven-runner handicap chases. Other than three seven-runner handicap chases, what more could you wish for on a Monday?

    #370029
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    It looks to me an archetypal weekday National Hunt card; the sort we’ve been offered for ever and a day, and as such for this spectator and punter not "fodder" but the nourishing and satiating ploughman’s lunch with best bitter that is an essential and distinctive little slice of Englishness. Treasure it I say.

    Treasure it indeed, especially as after Wednesday there’s b*gger all jumps for 11 days…

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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