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When the Stewards fined Sue Smith following the run of Emral Silk at Southwell I think more than a few people were asking the question where did that come from on the basis you will see far worse from better fancied horses on a regular basis.
Go West Young Man went to the post for the 3.00 at Huntingdon representing the in-form combination of Daly and Johnson. The horse had pretty decent form in the book to at least challenge for a place and was backed accordingly from 12/1-6/1. Before the race the trainer stated the horse was a 3m chaser in the making. Today’s race was over 2m on a speed track. So what did we get? Horse is held up in last place 30-40 lengths off a very slow pace. The horse never gets competitive and presumably learns nothing positive about the game. Do we even get an Enquiry?
As a punter I know which of those two runs offends me most and it isn’t even close. It looks from the outside as if they threw the book at the ‘tough northerner’ but the ‘country gent’ can do as he likes.
The Stewards did speak to the trainer and he explained that the horse finished the race distressed. Official report is available via the link below.
The Stewards did speak to the trainer and he explained that the horse finished the race distressed. Official report is available via the link below.
Was that confirmed by a vet lekha85 or did they just take the trainers word for it? Hopefully it was, as anyone could give that excuse otherwise.
Can Anyone Define Schooling In Public?
As opposed to say an ‘educational run’.
Today I backed a horse making his debut in a bumper. Basically after a few yards I knew the game was up as the horse was clearly much too green to do himself justice. Once the pace quickened the horse was pretty much allowed to drop away without coming off the bridle. He eventually made a little ground in the straight from a mile off the pace. I am guessing the instructions were not much more than make sure he finishes his race off. Is this kind of thing something that should just be accepted? In my opinion the horse was not ready for the racecourse. As befitting of his breeding there was a little money for him during the day but he drifted alarmingly close to the off. Presumably, on course they knew he was only there for not much more than a day out.
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Of the 2 bumpers todays there were only 4 horses fit enough to compete out of 18 runners. A whole 22%.
The rest should not have been allowed on a racecourse.Those at the course had two easily spotted nice winners at odds against that should have been odd on. No wonder bookies are giving up on "integrity light" racing.
Why folks only thinks there are only major integrity issues with the AW is simply baffling, as Mr Farage is supposed to say.
It goes on through all levels of UK racing – because they can and can get way with it time after time.Not a single comment from the Stewards.
Perhaps they wanted a quick get away after the last race.If you could see the problem then it is no longer a problem.Everyone could see that many horses are there just for the run.They bet like a roulette table not on form.IF YOU ARE LUCKY YOUR HORSE WILL WIN.
Stilvi
I think you defined it adequately in your opening comments.
A jockey is required to ride to obtain the best possible finishing position. That rule is crystal clear. Those who placed bets on the schooled animal were cheated, but who gives a tinker’s cuss for those losers?Stilvi
I think you defined it adequately in your opening comments.
A jockey is required to ride to obtain the best possible finishing position. That rule is crystal clear. Those who placed bets on the schooled animal were cheated, but who gives a tinker’s cuss for those losers?Shouldn’t all horses be actually trying to win a race? Yesterday the horse I was referring to might well have achieved the best possible placing given that he didn’t look ready to be on a racecourse.
As regards knowing a problem in advance the only guide most punters have is the market just prior to the race.
Shouldn’t all horses be actually trying to win a race? Yesterday the horse I was referring to might well have achieved the best possible placing given that he didn’t look ready to be on a racecourse.
As regards knowing a problem in advance the only guide most punters have is the market just prior to the race.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect all runners in a race to be trying to win, perhaps we should have recourse to the trade description act re the miss use of the word ‘race’ by race organisers.
Prices can be manipulated to suggest varying degrees of confidence. Connections have countless ways of getting on these days to disguise heavy support for a prepared job.
Connections have countless ways of getting on these days
Er, no they don’t. Name them??
Mike
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Of the 2 bumpers todays there were only 4 horses fit enough to compete out of 18 runners. A whole 22%.
The rest should not have been allowed on a racecourse.Those at the course had two easily spotted nice winners at odds against that should have been odd on. No wonder bookies are giving up on "integrity light" racing.
Why folks only thinks there are only major integrity issues with the AW is simply baffling, as Mr Farage is supposed to say.
It goes on through all levels of UK racing – because they can and can get way with it time after time.Not a single comment from the Stewards.
Perhaps they wanted a quick get away after the last race.I cannot remember which edition carried the article but in a relatively recent Timeform Chasers & Hurdlers it was implied that NH racing has a serious problem with horses not being run to their merits (they may have used even stronger terms than that).
It is quite obvious that in big field maiden hurdles and bumpers the vast majority of the field are not trying. I often think bumpers are set up for a horse to be sold at a big profit, and who is to say some of the other connections are not in for a "cut" so long as their horses ensure the winning distance of the "off" horse makes him look as impressive as possible to the prospective purchaser.
Of course the prize money (or lack of it) question arises once again. If you are running your horse that costs £20k per annum to keep in training in a race for which the prize money is less than £2k do you try to win and potentially get a bad handicap mark thereby preventing you from ever winning a race or do you run the horse to get a favourable mark so that you can either cover your training costs from have a punt or winning a race with a reasonable prize?
I have a friend who was part of a syndicate with a well known Lambourn trainer and he basically told the syndicate they have a simple choice – cheat for a few races and then try and have a punt or run her into the ground trying to chase a poor prize. As it transpired the filly was useless and never amounted to anything however it is clear what goes on, and the only way in my opinion to stop it happening is to have a situation where trying to win a race is potentially more lucrative than not winning a race.
Ivanjica,
Agree.
The subject is now coming to a head and many are totally giving up on racing due to the shear pointlessness and boredom of hundreds of races and the near total lack of any energetic integrity enforcement from the self serving BHA. The remaining fans seem to be splitting up into camps that exclude much of racing. Some "hate" AW, some NH, some Flat racing, some the so called "dross" presumably below Group One. For some, racing only occurs on Saturday and the other 6 days might as well not exist.
I once compiled a list in the 80s of NH horses that were so unfit as to have to pull up in their race. They then went on to win their very next race some 10 days or so later at same distance and same going. I sent 3 seasons worth of such data to the Jockey Club, highlighting repeat offenders. They said they couldn’t understand it but would investigate. Still waiting 30 years later for any investigation by BHA (Jockey Club).
Fully take on board the points above but the case I highlighted was one of incompetent training more than anything else. A 5yo was sent to track who was basically too clueless to do himself anything like justice. The racecourse was just being used as a training ground.
Surely we should not be betting on races where we know little of how ready the horse is to do itself justice?
Don’t bet on this crap and perhaps they will do something to sort out this glorified bingo fest.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Fully take on board the points above but the case I highlighted was one of incompetent training more than anything else. A 5yo was sent to track who was basically too clueless to do himself anything like justice. The racecourse was just being used as a training ground.
I think it reflects on the authorities that trainers think it’s acceptable to enter an untutored sub-novice in a race. Schooling or not trying, is so prevalent that the possibility that someone may object seems remote to most trainers. It amounts to a total lack of regard for race fans who may lose money by foolishly backing such clueless horses. Some on here may scorn such fools but we were all young and fresh faced innocents once before becoming suitably cynical in later life.
I am in no way naive as to this sort of thing happening but it doesn’t make it any less annoying.
I bet in bumpers because that’s where my records show I have the best chance of making a profit. For the race in question I would have made a judgement that those with form did not amount to much so I went with a well-bred debutant at a price. Unfortunately, as it turned out that price may as well have been 1000/1.
There is guesswork in backing any horse. In the next few weeks there will loads of races full of unraced horses. If you ignored them all you would be left with a load of handicaps where someone has probably spent hours trying to get them to finish in a line and a few condition races.
It’s fine to support a well bred challenger against unremarkable but more experienced opponents. The laws about schooling in public should be applied so that trainers dare not enter clueless runners for fear of being heavily penalised and banned for a meaningful period. Betting fans need protection if there is to be credibility in the game, they are currently treated with contempt and are walking away.
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