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It won the same classic as Saffron Waldon/Walden won but was a markedly better horse (also placed in The Derby). Similar sort of name change, too.
I do love a challenge Quad – thanks
I think I know the answer but will check before responding.
Changing tack slightly, with some help from the BHA I have an answer regarding protected names for big race winners.
The names of winners of the following eleven races are automatically protected.
Gran Premio Carlos Pellegrini (Argentina)
Grande Premio BrazilMelbourne Cup
Dubai World Cup
Hong Kong Cup
Japan CupPrix de l’Arc de Triomphe
King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes
Irish Champion StakesBreeders Cup Claassic
Breeders Cup Turf.In addition broodmares who have produced two Group 1 winners and at least one Black Type winner
and stallions who have produced at least 15 individual Group 1 winners.
Finally
I thought I read somewhere that Grand National & English Classic winners were also protected.
Finally, not quite the same name but on 7th April 1990, Mr Frisk won the Grand National & Mr Frisky the Santa Anita Derby.
Dickens Hill – winner of the Eclipse and Irish 2000 Guineas, and second to Troy in a notably good renewal of The Derby in 1979 – initially raced as Dickins Hill (with two "i"s in the first word).
That automatic protection for the names of Melbourne Cup winners must be a fairly recent innovation.
In 1981, I owned a horse here called Rising Fast, who won two staying handicaps on the flat. At the time I was totally unaware that an earlier Rising Fast was a famous name in Australia, winner of the Melbourne Cup in 1954 and second under 10st in 1955.
I only discovered the Aussie champion when I spotted a book on a racecourse stall titled ‘Racing with Rising Fast’ and sub titled ‘The story of a man and a great horse, of triumph, disappointment and courage’.
I figured this wasn’t a biopic of my 57 rated handicapper, but bought it anyway!
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Two Teofilo’s both now at stud. One ran for Andrew Reid and the other for Bolger.
There are also two Oratorio’s standing in Aus. One is by Danehill and the other by Stravinsky.
I thought I read somewhere that Grand National & English Classic winners were also protected.
I must admit I thought the same but it is seemingly not the case.
There is a horse running at Ballinrobe tonight called Young Lochinvar, the same name as a decent (sprinter?) from the early 1960s
I thought that Group 1 winners were safe from duplication but there are 2 of Prince of Dance (original the 1988 Dewhurst Dead Heater)
That rules quote about protected names reads rather as though those are Intenationally protected? rather than just in GB.
So are we sure GB classic winners are not protected, in GB at least, even if not beyond that?
Incidentally I’ve ridden Sri Kuantan!
Incidentally I’ve ridden Sri Kuantan!
That must have been later than 16th May 2008 because the name changed and there was a great big datacokup the next day at HQ.
Well it was at home I rode him but he was known ‘with’ the space, and yes it was after May 2008.
There is domestic protection and international protection, so a horse registered in GB wouldn’t be allowed to have the same name as a GB classic/Grand National/Gold Cup/Champion Hurdle winner.
For non-protected names, there must be a minimum of ten years between foaling dates before a name can be repeated, to minimise the chances of two horses with the same name running in the same race.
Foreign-bred horses complicate matters which is why the country of foaling suffix now technically forms part of the horse’s official name (while not included within the 18-character rule, obviously).
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