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  • #3205
    cormack15
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    Every year a load of horses with top class and good form go into decline. The trick is to identify them before the event.

    Well Chief… must be opposed as with Kicking King.  Both coming off injuries, not getting any younger, hard campaigns behind them, enough profile to ensure false prices when they do run.

    Lay them til your boots are bursting.

    The other fellow I don’t like for forthcoming season is Beef or Salmon. Again, great horse in his day but his day is done.

    #80857
    davidbrady
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    Can’t see BoS being a layable price given that WoA will be his opposition in most of his races this season and anyway he’ll still be hard to beat in small fields on poor ground in Ireland ovre the winter.

    Come to think of it, you can lay him to me!

    Accordion Etoile would be the one to avoid for me. I always get the impression that he will find something better than him on the day.

    #80858
    SirHarryLewis
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    Quote: from cormack15 on 7:12 pm on Oct. 22, 2006[br]Every year a load of horses with top class and good form go into decline. The trick is to identify them before the event.

    Well Chief… must be opposed as with Kicking King.  Both coming off injuries, not getting any younger, hard campaigns behind them, enough profile to ensure false prices when they do run.

    Lay them til your boots are bursting.

    The other fellow I don’t like for forthcoming season is Beef or Salmon. Again, great horse in his day but his day is done. <br>

    Well chief and KK arent exactly old either!! Its all down to injuries.  Speaking of coming back from Injury, how is Trabolgan reported to be progressing.  Now there is a horse that i think is a little overrated.

    SHL

    #80859
    cormack15
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    Grass – while I respect you ropinion Detroit City looks on the up and up and wouldn’t be on my hit-list.

    Hedgehunter is one that won’t be winning very often again!

    #80860
    Lincoln Duncan
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    Horses of that calibre rarely reach such a peak after returning from a year off. A slight deterioration is much more noticeable in a top-class horse than in a middle-ranker, and an ounce of speed is the first thing to go. Well Chief and Trabolgan are write-offs as far as championship material is concerned; another one to beware of is Racing Demon, not because he has had time off, but because he isn’t that much cop.

    #80861
    Burroughhill
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    BoS is an obvious one. What about Hardy Eustace? Do you think he’s had his day now?

    #80862
    davidjohnson
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    Write off Beef Or Salmon at your peril. No reason at all why he cannot win in Grade 1 company again this year granted his conditions. War of Attrition’s presence could see some generous quotes for Beef or Salmon at Down Royal.

    #80863
    dandan
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    I wouldn’t be laying Beef when he gets his conditions. Not a chance- he has consistently been top class in Ireland and no reason to believe that will change this season, he’s only rising 11!

    #80864
    clivex
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    But lay him every time the big girls blouse doesnt have his perfect conditions (ie not more than 4 runners, heavy ground, preferably no fences, slow pace, racecourse within 5 miles of stables, full moon,) 🙂

    #80865
    davidjohnson
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    I’m with tdk on Kauto Star, particularly if back at 2m around Sandown in the Tingle Creek.

    #80866
    SirHarryLewis
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    Quote: from clivex on 10:58 am on Oct. 23, 2006[br]But lay him every time the big girls blouse doesnt have his perfect conditions (ie not more than 4 runners, heavy ground, preferably no fences, slow pace, racecourse within 5 miles of stables, full moon,) 🙂

    <br>

    Without getting back into this Debate again, why dont you open  the racing post website, look up Beef or Salmon, browse down through his record  and stop talking s**t
    e 🙂

    SHL

    #80867
    wana
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    I’ll be looking to lay My Way De Solzen when he tackles fences,he will go off far too short,as he’s the reigning staying hurdler and he didn’t enjoy fences when tried in the past.(french form)<br>It may be different now of course,but at short odds esp.first time out(over fences),I’ll be laying:biggrin:

    #80868
    roland
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    Personally i’m thinking of taking on brave inca this year in the champion hurdle.

    I was majorly impressed with Macs Joy at punchestown and straw bear at Aintree. Throw in harchibald, feathard lady, asian maze and iktitaf and there not being alot of difference between the top few, the fact Mccoy will be riding for mcmanus just might make a big difference this year for BI.<br>

    #80869
    SirHarryLewis
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    <br>Straw bear…on one run looked top class, the rest of the time he looked just decent.

    SHL

    #80870
    clivex
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    Personally i’m thinking of taking on brave inca this year in the champion hurdle.

    Me too. Do wonder how much more mileage can be dragged out of a horse which takes so much driving. Also, just believe that its time for a real class hurdler to come bursting through and take the crown from this decidedly dour beast.

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