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Sorry Himself but I really didn’t look at the photo of the great horse at the time. It’s obvious now….but I must be getting older than I feel.
I think you mean Ile de Chypre
Yes of course befair I remember now but at least afew of you knew the one I meant. Getting older is a curse !
Maybe they weren’t world beaters but they certainly made a mark with me.
Flat – Stanerra, Horage and Rock Hopper.
NH – Reldis, Artifice and Fifty Dollars More.
Anyone else have some old favourites that deserve a special mention?
I have a cunning plan to secretly discover the identity of RF’s oldest contributor so what about these oldies ?
FLAT
Nimbus
Never Say Die
Tulyar
Right Royal V
Ribot
Petite EtoileJUMPS
Freebooter
Merryman III
Frenchmans Cove
Mandarin
Nicolaus Silver
What a MythMaybe they weren’t world beaters but they certainly made a mark with me.
Flat – Stanerra, Horage and Rock Hopper.
NH – Reldis, Artifice and Fifty Dollars More.
Anyone else have some old favourites that deserve a special mention?
I have a cunning plan to secretly discover the identity of RF’s oldest contributor so what about these oldies ?
FLAT
Nimbus
Never Say Die
Tulyar
Right Royal V
Ribot
Petite EtoileJUMPS
Freebooter
Merryman III
Frenchmans Cove
Mandarin
Nicolaus Silver
What a MythCrikey oldjohn69 … I was a mere single strand of DNA floating around in my Dad’s balls when those horses were running.
Maybe they weren’t world beaters but they certainly made a mark with me.
Flat – Stanerra, Horage and Rock Hopper.
NH – Reldis, Artifice and Fifty Dollars More.
Anyone else have some old favourites that deserve a
special mention
?
Read this first post and didn’t bother reading on…
Can you please elaborate as to why they deserve a special mention – your words not mine.
especially for Himself….most of us think of Arkle as the greatest staying chaser of all time but in any other era Mill House was a truly great horse too.I remember him winning at Newbury in the Hennessy I think when Arkle made a bad mistake a couple of fences out (possibly unsighted) and Mill House went on to winwith Arkle only 4th,I believe second and third were Happy Spring and Vibert. You had to see Arkle to believe him and he forced the Handicapper into reframing the weight range putting Himself on 13stone, with the rest on between 9st 7lbs and 10 st 7lbs. We shall never again see his like….for those who are much younger please do borrow,beg or steal a DVD of his career….you will not regret it,and I never ever had a penny on him….always odds on !
Arkle (5/2) finished third in the 1963 Hennessy, oldjohn – behind Happy Spring and winner, Mill House (15/8fav ).
Yes, he was the king of kings as far as steeplechasers go.
A few years ago William Hill devised a virtual horse race comprising of 20 great Gold Cup winners. The Cheltenham Gold Cup of Cups, if you like. I have no idea who their odds compiler was, but he ( or she ) was either very naive, very ignorant or very generous ( or all three ! ). It was during the era of Kauto mania. They had Kauto Star as 3/1 fav, Best mate 6/1, Arkle 13/2 (
the bet of any century ) 8s bar. What were these people on ?I wonder if the said compiler was our very own Gingertipster ?
Of course, Arkle should have been at least 1/2 – and he’d have won going away.
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Although I tend to dislike comparing champions from different eras I have to totally agree with you Himself. Arkle would beat Kauto Star by the proverbial country mile, and I concur that that was the bet of a lifetime – a licence to print money !
Although I tend to dislike comparing champions from different eras I have to totally agree with you Himself. Arkle would beat Kauto Star by the proverbial country mile, and I concur that that was the bet of a lifetime – a licence to print money !
Well said Coggy and Himself….Whoever compiled those imaginary odds was totally out of touch with reality !
There was never anything you could have seen since which I would put within a stone and a half of Arkle,and the only horse prior to him over jumps was Golden Miller and although his record was very impressive I refuse to believe that he could match Arkle’s cruising speed and acceleration.Maybe they weren’t world beaters but they certainly made a mark with me.
Flat – Stanerra, Horage and Rock Hopper.
NH – Reldis, Artifice and Fifty Dollars More.
Anyone else have some old favourites that deserve a special mention?
I have a cunning plan to secretly discover the identity of RF’s oldest contributor so what about these oldies ?
FLAT
Nimbus
Never Say Die
Tulyar
Right Royal V
Ribot
Petite EtoileJUMPS
Freebooter
Merryman III
Frenchmans Cove
Mandarin
Nicolaus Silver
What a MythCrikey oldjohn69 … I was a mere single strand of DNA floating around in my Dad’s balls when those horses were running.
Gotcha Ghost ….. or can I call you …youngster ?
Gotcha Ghost ….. or can I call you …youngster ?
I’ll take youngster as a compliment
… but I’m 41 The thing with "greatest Gold Cups" never run put forward by newspapers etc, is they have to make them a handicap as Arkle would be still be a cert to be first such is his dominance. However what about a fictional gold cup post arkle what would be the 1-2-3 on good ground?
Back to the original post.
Further flight – 5 times Jockey Club Cup , you knew he would get there.
Finnesko – a low grade 2 mile chaser for Simon Christain in the late eighties, give him Towcester and a soft lead and walk to the bookies to collect
Including twice at 16/1.Manhattan Boy – Selling plater, won 14 times at plumpton, the last time the auctioneer did the auction like this:
No bids, lets send the old boy home!Wind Force – A decent handicap with Gordon Richards, had to met every fence right or longer but when he got it right!
Dato Star – Not sure they every got the planning quite right after his bumper win.
Gold Cup 1-2-3
Kauto Star
Burrough Hill Lad
Silver BuckCaptain Christy fell when holding every chance two out!
especially for Himself….most of us think of Arkle as the greatest staying chaser of all time but in any other era Mill House was a truly great horse too.I remember him winning at Newbury in the Hennessy I think when Arkle made a bad mistake a couple of fences out (possibly unsighted) and Mill House went on to winwith Arkle only 4th,I believe second and third were Happy Spring and Vibert. You had to see Arkle to believe him and he forced the Handicapper into reframing the weight range putting Himself on 13stone, with the rest on between 9st 7lbs and 10 st 7lbs. We shall never again see his like….for those who are much younger please do borrow,beg or steal a DVD of his career….you will not regret it,and I never ever had a penny on him….always odds on !
You will find several of Arkle’s races now on Youtube including the famous 64 Gold Cup. There is a very good DVD called "Arkle" around, you might find on Equestrian Vision’s site. By the way he was third, not fourth in Mill House’s Hennessey.
By the way how about this lot to conjour with, Border hunter of note Freddie, Flying Ace and The Callant, also Wyndburgh one of the National’s unlukiest losers and a front runner from Ken Oliver’s famous Hawick yard of old, Even Keel.
JUMPS
MandarinI was reading a book about 20 years ago that alerted me to an incredible performance by Mandarin and Fred Winter at Auteuil in 1962, and a couple of years ago at Christmas, I was lucky enough to received a DVD called ‘Horseracings Greatest Ever Races’, where I saw before my own eyes, possibly the greatest racing achievement of the century as Fred Winter, exhausted and ill after spending so long in the sauna trying to do the weight, had to do without any steering for 90% of the 1962 Grand Steeplechase de Paris after Mandarins bit broke early in the race. This would be tricky enough on a normal course, but with Auteuils twisty figure of 8 chase course, what Winter and Mandarin went on to achieve was bordering on the impossible. With Winter getting weaker as the race went on, and with Mandarin going lame in the home straight, it looked like he would be caught by the home favourite Lumineaux but somehow he held on. One of the greatest performances I’ve ever seen.
Mandarin and Fred Winter’s famous win can be viewed on YouTube.
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Derby winner Arctic Prince who might have been a great horse had he not broken down in his next race. The Festival of Britain Stakes (that was renamed the King George & Queen Elizabeth Stakes the following year, hate to here it abbreviated to the King George all the time).
That race was won by Supreme Court.
the bet of any century ) 8s bar. What were these people on ?
Including twice at 16/1.
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