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    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    As well for being an embarrassment to the HRI and BHA, this shines a light on the entire racing media – Racing Post, RacingTV, At The Races, ITVRacing, SportingLife, all of them – in a very unflattering way.

    Panorama have taken their usual occasional look at racing and made the entire racing print/internet/broadcast media look like a bunch of amateurs, riding a gravy train, on which no one ever wants to rock the boat.

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    #1551390
    Illavim
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    Maybe the aspect of horsemeat fraudulently entering the food chain will be the point that focuses the authorities attention on sorting out this disgraceful mess.
    The undercover cameras were only in place for 4 days but the number of breaches of existing welfare regulations and attempts to pass unsuitable animals into the food chain was horrifying.

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    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    I’m quite sure there will be no proper reaction from the top racing ranks at all. Just like in Elliott’s case…..

    Simon Munir and Isaac Suede surely weren’t left in tears after discovering what happened to Vyta Du Roc.
    Back in the autumn of 2018 the horse couldn’t finish it’s races and was pulled up twice, a few months later they tried something new running in over the X-Country obstacles. Half a year later, when still with NJH, the horse was beaten in two points. Two weeks later the quick switch to Ireland where it finished 3rd in a point and then 150 lengths behind Yarnworth over the Punchestown banks.
    Retirement wasn’t good enough for this fella, who was surely treated like a King (to use that c***), that’s why at the grand age of 12 he was send to the abattoir….

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    I seem to remember Munir and/or Souede defending Elliott and being quite enthusiastic about their decision to keep their horses with him after the photo incident too. They must have known that Vyta Du Roc died. Many were asking them what happened to him on social media (think I may have been one). To claim to be “furious” as a result of this programme doesn’t really wash.

    Pleased to see that the BHA has at least acted quickly & publicly to announce an investigation. It’s also Defra and the FSA that ought to be explaining themselves here though. Drury’s needs to be suspended immediately and all animals on its farms either humanely destroyed (if unviable) or seized as evidence and a full investigation held into why horses are being imported into Britain for slaughter. Are British standards so much lower than Ireland?

    Ian’s spot on about the Racing press too. Irish Racing site doesn’t even mention the programme.

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    Avatar photoAndyRAC
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    As well for being an embarrassment to the HRI and BHA, this shines a light on the entire racing media – Racing Post, RacingTV, At The Races, ITVRacing, SportingLife, all of them – in a very unflattering way.

    Yes, but that’s nothing new – and is unlikely to change. Ask a slightly difficult question, or be a tad over critical and no more access. “How dare you oiks ask me that”. Even with the recent doping allegations, they’ve been lacklustre.

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    I might be being a bit blinkered here because it seems to me that the sport is being attacked left right and centre over various things and I do fear for its future so could come across a bit defensive but the programme was always going to be horrible to watch, that was the intention of a group who want racing abolished. Do not lose sight of that.

    There were some bits I didn’t like to do with racing around the traceability of where a horse ends up but I thought a lot of the worst bits in the programme centred around the abattoir which is not strictly speaking an issue for racing if they are deemed fit to operate by the authorities in that area. They were jumping on Elliott’s already damaged reputation to get at people within the sport who weren’t happy about that incident, he’s a racehorse trainer not an owner at the end of the day and as such he’s responsible for the horses while he trains them but not once they are retired.

    The various charities around rehoming do need more funding without question but unfortunately even then there will be racehorses which need euthanising. Hopefully the sport does look into the bits which concern the sport but that particular abattoir is not their area.

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    They do massively, they don’t run for free. My mum was involved in one over here Crosskennan Lane and they really struggled a lot of the time, and sadly they had soo many horses/ponies coming in it was very difficult to cope.

    The trainers are the big names attached to the programme, but in the main, isn’t aftercare an ownership responsibility? Unless the owner and trainer have agreed for the trainer to sort?

    A very interesting point made on twitter- the last few years sales results at Ascot, there’s one individual buying stacks of horses for £600 (David White) and they don’t seem to ever race again……but where do they go?

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    #1551400
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    And that’s where reporting by the BBC falls short. Yes, I think all agree any uglier sides of racing that can be improved, we are all for that.
    But, where a programme is one sided, where are the other sides on how well racehorses are looked after.
    It’s typical BBC biased reporting again. They have learned nothing. They choose sides, often the minority groups and transmit their message, but they never look at the other side of the coin, any positives. The BBC can be charged with trying to cause chaos sometimes with the things they promote and support.

    And remember it’s all done for TV, so it’s going to try and grip you and catch the headlines.
    I’d like them to present a programme on racing positives, but they aren’t going to do that are that being left wing trouble making anarchists.
    Do they ever present a programme where the centre right are being mistreated in some way, no!

    #1551402
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    The abattoir was one problem, but nobody has to send a horse to any abattoir. You can stand with it yourself at the end, and have it put down by injection or humane killer, by your vet or huntsman. I can assure Messrs Munir and Souede that this will leave you in tears, but your horse will suffer so much less.

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    Louise, that would suggest they wanted VDR killed though? They probably just wanted him rehoused or retrained to another sport but just didn’t want to be involved.

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    Avatar photoThe Tatling Cheekily
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    They should have a better duty of care than that IMO Jack. Haven’t they got a heart?

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    #1551405
    Louise12
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    I know, Jack, and giving horses away is an option, but you need to know the person very well, and/or follow up. They surely have a racing manager, if they are too busy (and assuming they do have a heart!) Perhaps it’s a wake up call. It seems a bit coincidental that the horse ended up in that particular hell hole, not even in Ireland.

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    The BBC are not left wing by any stretch of the imagination, they are pretty well on the side of the Establishment nowadays.
    There is no such thing as a left wing anarchist either.

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    Avatar photoCork All Star
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    “The BBC are not left wing by any stretch of the imagination.”

    Thanks. That is the best laugh I have had in ages. :yes:

    #1551410
    GSP
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    Haha Purwell. The organisation who recruit through the Guardian no less are extremely political, and I would say bordering on hard left at times.
    They have contributed to the division and disruption in this country and should be held accountable.
    Since they lost the referendum they have focussed on minority groups, anything which is not centre right really.
    Rent a crowd, the statue toppling its all hard left and they promote and encourage those entities.
    It’s the left who are kicking up all the racism. I have worked and holdayed with black friends and didn’t think one bit about their colour. Now the left are driving an agenda saying black people are different and trying to stir up a lot of hatred.
    The football aspect, we had kick out racism before each game which had been working. But now the BBC, and others support the political knee stance and again have stirred up trouble with people booing. Being told people are different.
    It’s quite funny to see their former villain now hero Cummings on their side.
    In all, the BBC cannot be trusted, don’t recognise them anymore.
    They are not on the side of the majority in this country that’s for sure.
    Everything that goes out from them. Are they trying to destroy the fabric of which this country was built. I feel they hate us in a way, and they have never recovered from losing the referendum.

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    Avatar photojackh1092
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    They should have a better duty of care than that IMO Jack. Haven’t they got a heart?

    I don’t know them personally, but i presume not all their horses have ended up this way- at least i hope. He seems to have just gotten into the wrong hands- whether that’s due to him having been with Elliot and Elliot using this guy i’m not sure, nobody is.

    This isn’t me saying “kill them all” but having a bit of background in racing and also an animal sactuary (mainly horses/ponies) there are so many around, it’s not as easy as just “rehome” and bang, it’s done.

    What happens when the animal is rehomed with a person that seemed reasonable, who then decides he can’t be arsed anymore.

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    #1551414
    pilgarlic
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    I may have missed some detail as I fast forwarded a lot but was there an explanation why so many horses from Ireland wound up at an abattoir near Swindon ? I gather Ireland has one abattoir for this purpose. Not much demand then or are it’s standards a bit too stringent for it to be viable for shady dealers ?

    It was mentioned that Irish owned horses form the vast majority of those heading to Drury’s. No British case studies ?

    That the food chain angle of this is such a lucrative lure is not a surprise.That so many racehorses seem to pass as suitable for food very much is.

    The programme was fairly well presented but did not seem able to tell us much about such activity from British sources.

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