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Another completely daft comment. Do you really, honestly think they set out yesterday to get Maybe beat?
Its not as daft as you think Corm! I love to piece a jigsaw puzzle together and my interpretation is this…
Honeymoon queen
makes her seasonal reappearance in March,she needs it badly and comes on a ton as Aidans usually do,she then beats a very useful filly comfortably in
Fire Lily
in April that run not only is a superb marker for collateral form through
Maybe
of all horses but puts her spot on for the 1000gns.Coolmore have her cherry ripe and she runs them ragged,they knew she was better than a pacemaker! Why? because
Fire Lily
is only beaten 11/2l by
Maybe
as 2yo’s that form alone makes
Honeymoon Queen
a mere length behind
Maybe
.Bearing in mind the latter looked massive in the paddock,you would certainly envisage major improvement to come from the run and it will so hindsight itself shows the fitter filly won and the 3rd will improve,the pair were far more closely matched than most of us realised but Coolmore knew who was the better filly on the day for sure! Wool pulled over eyes springs to mind! I dont agree that they set out to get
Maybe
beat but maybe they set out to win with the winner!Maybe,maybe not! Nah they did!
TAPK – I agree they came with a horse (HQ) they thought could win. I was just pointing out that suggesting they set out to get Maybe beat was/is ridiculous. I’m sure either result would have been equally acceptable to them. People are talking like there was only two horses in the race.
Maybe ran a blinder, certainly belied the fact that she wasn’t fit. You don’t finish third in a Guineas if you’re not fit. NOT that she won’t improve for it a little bit, but she most certainly wouldn’t have been ‘fat’, however big she looked. (That coming from a man that wasn’t within 500 miles of Newmarket, I wasn’t even in the same country! Sorry…lol)
Maybe ran a blinder, certainly belied the fact that she wasn’t fit.
You really think
Maybe
ran a blinder? For a filly clearly Top rated,she never looked like winning at any point and was beaten 10 lengths by a winner ridden positively throughout.
I’ll guarantee Aidan mentions how much ‘Maybe’ has come forward for the run the next time she runs,now had he started her course campaign back in April and had 2 previous outings I’d bet you she would have won yesterday,just so long asHoneymoon Queen
made her seasonal debut in the 1000gns itself of course!
Of course, the conspiracy theorists main point of argument should be that Coolmore, whose business is stallions, would have had more to gain in that regard by Holy Roman Emperor siring a Guineas winner than having another Galileo star.
TAPK – I agree it’s likely Maybe will improve, she’ll surely do better over further.
If Coolmore knew Homecoming Queen was going to win they’d have backed her in to a far shorter price. However, Wading supposed to be second string for the Guineas until this Spring. I’d imagine Homecoming Queen was going better than Wading at home. It would be ridiculous for Coolmore not to try their hardest to win with both of their fillies. Homecoming Queen has run well from the front before, it suits her and suited Coolmore.
Best not to give Homecoming Queen full credit for the 9 lengths winning margin yet. They didn’t go a furious pace and kicked from the front. Time was good but not exceptional judged on Racing Post Standard Times. 4.95 secs slower than standard compared to the following race won by a 5 year old rated 102, carrying 9-8 over 6f did a time just 4.03 slower than standard. Homecoming Queen is certainly Group 1 class, but comparrisons with Frankel (on yesterday’s performance) are crazy, though she could still improve. Moonstone, Lyric and Discourse ran no sort of race.
It is interesting that first 2 in the 1000 and first 5 home in the 2000 Guineas all had a prep run this season. In last year’s 1000 only Blue Bunting of the first 5 home had not had a run. The two behind Frankel in the 2000 also had a run previously. And yet plenty of trainers these days don’t think of running beforehand.
Value Is EverythingThose who think it was a Coolmore plot . . . do you also believe 9/11 was a US government conspiracy?
If Coolmore knew Homecoming Queen was going to win they’d have backed her in to a far shorter price. However, Wading supposed to be second string for the Guineas until this Spring. I’d imagine Homecoming Queen was going better than Wading at home. It would be ridiculous for Coolmore not to try their hardest to win with both of their fillies. Homecoming Queen has run well from the front before, it suits her and suited Coolmore.
Best not to give Homecoming Queen full credit for the 9 lengths winning margin yet. They didn’t go a furious pace and kicked from the front. Time was good but not exceptional judged on Racing Post Standard Times. 4.95 secs slower than standard compared to the following race won by a 5 year old rated 102, carrying 9-8 over 6f did a time just 4.03 slower than standard. Homecoming Queen is certainly Group 1 class, but comparrisons with Frankel (on yesterday’s performance) are crazy, though she could still improve. Moonstone, Lyric and Discourse ran no sort of race.
It is interesting that first 2 in the 1000 and first 5 home in the 2000 Guineas all had a prep run this season. In last year’s 1000 only Blue Bunting of the first 5 home had not had a run. The two behind Frankel in the 2000 also had a run previously. And yet plenty of trainers these days don’t think of running beforehand.
Except that Camelot didn’t have a prep run.
A perfect example of a TRF thread starting as an innocent expression of appreciation of a great win in a classic which quickly turned into a knocking of the winner and the form/race before falling into a name calling argument.
One post and Stilvi is mocking people, calling them aftertimers and generally behaving like a child.
But then we have Matt Chapman and McCririck as presenters so..
Do people really think this was a plot ?
I remember backing Scorpion each way in the Irish Derby at 25-1 and it was just beaten by Hurricane Run, then went on to win the Leger.
These horses are very talented and the jockeys don’t always choose the right horse. Dettori makes similar wrong decisions for Godolphin.
Obviously i’m not calling them muppets
They are humans riding animals. It’s not maths.
and first 5 home in the 2000 Guineas all had a prep run this season.
"Except that Camelot didn’t have a prep run".
Meant to say bar the winner.
Suspect Camalot is quite a bit better than French Fifteen and the rest of the first 5.
Value Is EverythingThose who think it was a Coolmore plot . . . do you also believe 9/11 was a US government conspiracy?
Joe not only are you an undercover agent for the RSPCA you could well be working for the CIA, it has occurred to me that ‘Steeplechasing’ is an anagram of ‘People USA Chase’!!
You might fool others but I can spot one a mile off! My feeling is that the best filly won, although where she was clearly relishing the soft ground, others were loving it less so.
I liked Homecoming Queen’s terrier like attitude. Head down and trying for all her worth. I thought Maybe flattered to deceive and probably didn’t show her true ability. I expected a better display than that, although I do suspect that Aidan O’Brien will have her spot on for the Irish 1,000 Guineas and on ( hopefully ) better ground at the Curragh. She could well give Homecoming Queen a run for her money. You just never know with the hard to fathom Mr. O’Brien. He’s a complex character and one should never second guess him or his horses.
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I believe if a horse can do it once why cannot she do it again? The right ground, and the right tactic and of course the right jockey are needed to get the right result.
Another completely daft comment. Do you really, honestly think they set out yesterday to get Maybe beat?
Its not as daft as you think Corm! I love to piece a jigsaw puzzle together and my interpretation is this…
Honeymoon queen
makes her seasonal reappearance in March,she needs it badly and comes on a ton as Aidans usually do,she then beats a very useful filly comfortably in
Fire Lily
in April that run not only is a superb marker for collateral form through
Maybe
of all horses but puts her spot on for the 1000gns.Coolmore have her cherry ripe and she runs them ragged,they knew she was better than a pacemaker! Why? because
Fire Lily
is only beaten 11/2l by
Maybe
as 2yo’s that form alone makes
Honeymoon Queen
a mere length behind
Maybe
.Bearing in mind the latter looked massive in the paddock,you would certainly envisage major improvement to come from the run and it will so hindsight itself shows the fitter filly won and the 3rd will improve,the pair were far more closely matched than most of us realised but Coolmore knew who was the better filly on the day for sure! Wool pulled over eyes springs to mind! I dont agree that they set out to get
Maybe
beat but maybe they set out to win with the winner!Maybe,maybe not! Nah they did!
Aidan confirms that "
Maybe
needed the run in the Guineas" that concludes the evidence M’Lud that she was never trained for it then! "Bearing in mind she looked massive in the Paddock,you would certainly envisage major improvement to come"
,her unbeaten record means nothing to Coolmore! They knew who was tuned for the day alright!
Misty for Me ran a shocker in the Guineas last season and still cleaned up G1’s later on in the season. No reason to lose faith in Maybe yet. Homecoming Queen looked lean and extremely fit and that enabled her to gallop end to end and run the stamina out of everything else in the field.
You might fool others but I can spot one a mile off! 
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