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November 15, 2006 at 12:00 #445November 15, 2006 at 12:07 #30941markoParticipant
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Royal Auclair (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 12lb<br>Cornish Rebel (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 12lb<br>Wild Passion (GER) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. Meade Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 11lb<br>Star de Mohaison (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 11lb<br>Neptune Collonges (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 10lb<br>Innox (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â F. Doumen Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 10lb<br>My Will (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 9lb<br>Fundamentalist (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. A. Twiston-Davies Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 9lb<br>Southern Vic (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â T. M. Walsh Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 8lb<br>Ollie Magern Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. A. Twiston-Davies Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 6lb<br>Halcon Genelardais (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â A. King Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 6lb<br>Eurotrek (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 6lb<br>State of Play Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Evan Williams Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 4lb<br>Turpin Green (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. G. Richards Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 4lb<br>Iris’s Gift Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Jonjo O’Neill Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 3lb<br>Commercial Flyer (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â D. E. Pipe Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 3lb<br>Kelami (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â F. Doumen Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 3lb<br>Idle Talk (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â T. R. George Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 3lb<br>Copsale Lad Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. J. Henderson Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 2lb<br>Montgermont (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â C. R. Egerton Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 2lb<br>Juveigneur (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. J. Henderson Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 1lb<br>Ross Comm Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Mrs S. J. Smith Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 0lb<br>All In The Stars (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â D. P. Keane Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 0lb<br>Ardaghey (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. A. Twiston-Davies Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11st 0lb<br>Ladalko (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 13lb<br>Zabenz (NZ) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. J. Hobbs Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 13lb<br>Bothar Na (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â W. P. Mullins Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 13lb<br>Graphic Approach (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â C. R. Egerton Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 12lb<br>Run For Paddy Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Carl Llewellyn Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 12lb<br>Baron Windrush Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â N. A. Twiston-Davies Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 11lb<br>Napolitain (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 10lb<br>Presenting Express (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Miss E. C. Lavelle Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 10lb<br>Bannow Strand (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â D. E. Pipe Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 9lb<br>Keltic Bard Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â C. J. Mann Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 9lb<br>Puntal (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â D. E. Pipe Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 7lb<br>Vodka Bleu (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â D. E. Pipe Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 7lb<br>Kasthari (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â J. Howard Johnson Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 6lb<br>Preacher Boy Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â R. J. Hodges Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 6lb<br>Parsons Legacy (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. J. Hobbs Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 5lb<br>Distant Thunder (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Noel T. Chance Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 4lb<br>Solar System (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â T. J. Taaffe Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 3lb<br>Omni Cosmo Touch (USA) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Mrs S. J. Smith Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 0lb<br>Homer Wells (IRE) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â W. P. Mullins Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 10st 0lb<br>Roman Ark Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â J. M. Jefferson Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 9st 13lb<br>Nadover (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â C. J. Mann Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 9st 11lb<br>Lou du Moulin Mas (FR) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â P. F. Nicholls Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 9st 11lb<br>November 15, 2006 at 12:27 #30942
2 horses stand out to me, state of play, and lou du moulin mas. state of play should still be improving and is not exposed, and lou du moulin mas had a confidence booster over hurdles, has had a wind operation and has a very good weight.November 15, 2006 at 12:39 #30943FlatSeasonLoverMember
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3 of my tote ten to follow still in then: Star De Mohaison, Eurotrek and Halcon Genelardais. I still can’t help thinking that Eurotrek is a serious tool. Be interesting to see how "potential superstar" Commercial Flyer gets on.November 15, 2006 at 12:51 #30944apracingParticipant
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Just talked to a friend who had a tour of the Tom George yard this morning and was told that Idle Talk isn’t a definite runner and won’t be considered unless we have a fair bit of rain.
APNovember 16, 2006 at 10:20 #30945
IMO, Idle Talk needs a better pilot. Not a big fan of Maguire. Ruby was the difference on Sat.November 16, 2006 at 10:31 #30946
It doesnt look like a particularly strong Henessey to me. The one that interests me most is Southern Vic. He was impressive in his pipe opener over a distance of 2m which is way too short for him. Although I did read that Ted Walsh will only send him if it is quite testing.November 16, 2006 at 10:33 #30947davidjohnsonMember
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I thought the difference was that Ruby had the luxury of being able to sit off the pace. Idle Talk is a front runner that jumps so well that by reigning him in at every fence, you’ll waste the ground he gains in the air at each obstacle. He’s very much in the mould of Tom George’s other staying handicapper Lord of Illusion. Idle Talk ran an absolute cracker. He soon had Take The Stand beaten off and then put Model Son to the sword after that had taken him on, no real surprise that he was unable to hold My Will at the death.<br>November 16, 2006 at 10:53 #30948seabirdParticipant
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Much as I lke the horse, Idle Talk, because of the way that he runs and his apparent lack of acceleration, is always going to be a bit of a sitting duck for a horse with a turn of foot.
I do hope he can prove me wrong.
ColinNovember 16, 2006 at 10:58 #30949SalselonMember
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Ruby was worth at least 2 lengths on the run in last Saturday. The momentum and rythym he had on My Will compared to the jockey of Idle talk was astonishing.November 16, 2006 at 11:54 #30950
My point exactly. Maguire didnt seem fluent even though the horse gave him every chacne with the better leap at the last. He had to change his whip also, which you never like seeing in the run in of a 3m3 race. McCoy wouldnt have been passed.November 16, 2006 at 12:18 #30951
this sort of thing really annoys me, most people who criticize jockeys have never sat on a horse, let alone jumped one, and have very little idea of what skill is actually required. and as for not being able to pass mccoy, rubish. the horse gave his all, and my will just had abit left in the tank. i bet you backed idle talk and thats why your bitter!November 16, 2006 at 12:38 #30952
i just think people put far to much blame on jockeys. my opinion is that the best horse on the day usually wins, and i exept there are some hard luck stories and that some jockeys are stronger in different areas than other jockeys, but at the end of the day there isnt that much in them. otherwise they wouldnt be doing the job!November 16, 2006 at 12:54 #30953AragornMember
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Couldn’t disagree more, Ruby Walsh does ride the best horses but there’s a very good reason, because he’s proven how good he is and therefore the top owners and trainers will always want to use him.. You don’t get 30% strike rates just by riding the best horses..
To me a good jockey will never lose races he shouldn’t, a bad jock will lose races they should win. Thats the differenceNovember 16, 2006 at 13:33 #30954
Yes, I did back Idle Talk. And there is a gulf between the top 8-10 jocks and the rest, so your talking b*****ks
. It is very plain to see.<br>For what its worth I have both sat and jumped on a horse, not that it matters a jot to the argument.
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