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I could see Pandorama winning he"s in a different league to anything else in Ireland but Kempes? Only way he would get the trip round Cheltenham is if you tied him to Pandoram’s tail and he pulled him up the hill
Surely common sense will prevail and they’ll run him in the Ryanair where he would get the trip and be a real danger to all?
I’d say Pandorama is a better horse than Kempes IF it absolutely buckets down and the Gold Cup is run on an absolute mudbath and, even then, only just. Besides, will Pando be fit and ready for Cheltenham?
If we’re picking a second season chaser this year, I’d go for Kempes over Long Run (can’t do it at Cheltenham), Diamond Harry (very good, but with a fair bit to prove at Grade One level) and Pride of Dulcote (hahahahaha).
BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social
So don't run, just like the others always do
"Fist" wrote: I could see Pandorama winning he"s in a different league to anything else in Ireland but Kempes? Only way he would get the trip round Cheltenham is if you tied him to Pandoram’s tail and he pulled him up the hill
Surely common sense will prevail and they’ll run him in the Ryanair where he would get the trip and be a real danger to all?
Imo he’d win the Ryanair, a class apart from the likes of Poquelin for me. However, in what looks like an open Gold Cup, I’d have a crack at it if he was mine.
Wouldn’t get the trip? Why?
He hates soft ground, and that race was run at a good clip there today. Stiff finish on a big galloping track. He flew up the hill. Can’t see the Gold Cup trip being a problem personally.
I could see Pandorama winning he"s in a different league to anything else in Ireland but Kempes? Only way he would get the trip round Cheltenham is if you tied him to Pandoram’s tail and he pulled him up the hill
Surely common sense will prevail and they’ll run him in the Ryanair where he would get the trip and be a real danger to all?
I love reading posts that mean I don’t have to post. In this case I will anyway.
I have Kempes for both at Chelters (same price) but would much rather see him in the Ryanair. He’d have an outstanding chance in it. Fits the Ryanair profile like a glove now. Single figure price for the Ryanair if he was confirmed for it. I think he’d get the Gold Cup trip, but not in a Gold Cup.
The Ryanair is much less competitive and if they left the Gold Cup expedition until next year The Big Three would be out of it (surely) and from most peoples sentiments it appears that this crop of novices is nothing special.
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Kempes barring heavy ground.
He has a 3 length beating of China Rock in the book. And although he didn’t look to great before he fell in the Lexus, he had knocked a few fences and
always comes late to win
. He really responds to being pushed along, so with McCoy back on board (couldn’t get there that day) he’ll be the one for me.
If I knew he was going to Cheltenham I’d back him each-way for the Gold Cup at 50’s. Owned by McManus he’s likely to be McCoys ride for that.
Good run and that was proved today, I’m not saying he would’ve beat Pandorama in the Lexus but he’d have been close. And although everyone including me knock his form on heavy ground, he has won, it’s just the stamina, but I think he’d win further over a longer distance so I’m happy I took the 40/1 nrnb for the Gold Cup and was a nice 7/1 winner for me today
If you told me his time last year that Kempes would win a Hennessy and be a live Gold Cup outsider, I’d be sending for the men in white coats.
He’s clearly improving but would need the ground to be quickish to have any chance of getting the trip. I’m sure Joe Kernan and the rest of the syndicate that had him with Frances Crowley are kicking themselves for selling up.
Surely 3 miles on heavy ground at Leopardstown is the equivalent of 3 and a bit on good to soft at Cheltenham. Why wouldn’t Kempes get the Gold Cup trip?
There’s a bit of a difference getting the trip against the likes of Joncol, China Rock, Glencove Marina etc and getting it in a really strongly run race against the likes of Denman, Imperial Commander, Diamond Harry and Pandorama who all stay really well.
There’s a bit of a difference getting the trip against the likes of Joncol, China Rock, Glencove Marina etc and getting it in a really strongly run race against the likes of…Pandorama who all stay really well.
The furthest Pandorama has won over is three miles. The furthest Kempes has won over is three miles one furlong.
Pando was pulled up in his only attempt at more than three miles.
Therefore, how can you say that Pandorama ‘stay
really well’?BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social
So don't run, just like the others always do
I thought Kempes gave an improved display and he’s obviously unexposed at staying trips. If he continues the upward curve at the right time…
Still, can’t see him winning the big one, but maybe a 3rd place?
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Somebody please help me out. I’ve hit an each way double. The bet was made on the eve of the heroes handicap hurdle (friday 4th feb) with a leading high street firm.
Kilcrea Kim (9-1 heroes hurdle)
Kempes (8-1 irish hennessey).
As both races were due to run on the 5th, this was not an ante-post bet. I understand this. However, since Leapordstown was postponed, the bookmaker has ruled that even though I have the winner of both races, Kempes is a void runner. Is the punter to be held responsible for the weather? Two comments – if the bet had been struck before 10am on the same day it would have stood. Secondly, I would be happy for them to settle the Kempes race at SP, given the withdrawal of pride of dulcote and subsequent rule 4.
Has this happened to anyone else because I am feeling like this is borderline robbery. To make matters worse, I trebled these two up with GMOOH…who knows how that one will be settled
Sorry for the rant but this is worth a life-changing amount of money for me. Any comments positive or negative welcome.- Total Posts 17716
Somebody please help me out. I’ve hit an each way double. The bet was made on the eve of the heroes handicap hurdle (friday 4th feb) with a leading high street firm.
Kilcrea Kim (9-1 heroes hurdle)
Kempes (8-1 irish hennessey).
As both races were due to run on the 5th, this was not an ante-post bet. I understand this. However, since Leapordstown was postponed, the bookmaker has ruled that even though I have the winner of both races, Kempes is a void runner. Is the punter to be held responsible for the weather? Two comments – if the bet had been struck before 10am on the same day it would have stood. Secondly, I would be happy for them to settle the Kempes race at SP, given the withdrawal of pride of dulcote and subsequent rule 4.
Has this happened to anyone else because I am feeling like this is borderline robbery. To make matters worse, I trebled these two up with GMOOH…who knows how that one will be settled
Sorry for the rant but this is worth a life-changing amount of money for me. Any comments positive or negative welcome.You done a double and they both won their races, they should pay the bet. You are being taken for a ride mate. Could you also PM me the bookie so I know to never use them. Cheers.
Somebody please help me out. I’ve hit an each way double. The bet was made on the eve of the heroes handicap hurdle (friday 4th feb) with a leading high street firm.
Kilcrea Kim (9-1 heroes hurdle)
Kempes (8-1 irish hennessey).
As both races were due to run on the 5th, this was not an ante-post bet. I understand this. However, since Leapordstown was postponed, the bookmaker has ruled that even though I have the winner of both races, Kempes is a void runner. Is the punter to be held responsible for the weather? Two comments – if the bet had been struck before 10am on the same day it would have stood. Secondly, I would be happy for them to settle the Kempes race at SP, given the withdrawal of pride of dulcote and subsequent rule 4.
Has this happened to anyone else because I am feeling like this is borderline robbery. To make matters worse, I trebled these two up with GMOOH…who knows how that one will be settled
Sorry for the rant but this is worth a life-changing amount of money for me. Any comments positive or negative welcome.You done a double and they both won their races, they should pay the bet. You are being taken for a ride mate. Could you also PM me the bookie so I know to never use them. Cheers.
Appreciated Phil. Without saying too much, the company in question has 2 syllables and the second syllable conveniently rhymes with ‘crooks’! Also, I just found this from their rules:
"If a bet is placed on an Ante Post selection before the entries have closed, the bet will stand".
The race reverted to ‘original entry’ status on Tuesday 8th February as I understand – surely this means that my bet qualifies as antepost (i just realized I placed it on a Friday and the Hennessey would have been on Sunday) and it was struck before entries had closed!
The Ryanair is much less competitive and if they left the Gold Cup expedition until next year The Big Three would be out of it (surely) and from most peoples sentiments it appears that this crop of novices is nothing special.
Next year, though, Weapon’s Amnesty and Burton Port will (hopefully) be fit and well and ready to race, Pandorama should have a 100 per cent healthy season and Long Run will have that extra year’s worth of experience, which could provide crucial, especially with his current Cheltenham record.
There’s also the small matter of Big Buck’s going back over fences.
If not this year, when?
BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social
So don't run, just like the others always do
There’s a bit of a difference getting the trip against the likes of Joncol, China Rock, Glencove Marina etc and getting it in a really strongly run race against the likes of…Pandorama who all stay really well.
The furthest Pandorama has won over is three miles. The furthest Kempes has won over is three miles one furlong.
Pando was pulled up in his only attempt at more than three miles.
Therefore, how can you say that Pandorama ‘stay
really well’?Seriously? A quick glance at their respective page’s should make it fairly obvious which one is more likely to relish the test of 3m2. Kempes is by Intikhab out of a Royal Academy mare. He’d need quick ground and a moderate gallop (IMO) to get the trip against this class of horses. Pandorama is a Flemensfirth who has sired the likes of Imperial Commander (Gold Cup winner), Time For Rupert (Stayers Hurdle second), King Johns Castle (Grand National second), Joe Lively and The Midnight Club (both stout stayers). I would love to see Kempes win it for connections, especially Willie who I have the utmost respect for, but of the two Irish contenders I think Pandorama has a much better chance should he turn up.
Just to be pedantic, I’m fairly sure Pandorama’s p2p win was over an extended 3 miles.
Kempes didnt seem to travel well to my eye..yet picked up when asked. Strange sort of run by him. I thought going to be PU around 4 out and yet in the straight he looked like he was 1/4 on. Cant quite work him out. He obviously has bags of pace and get against boats like Denman/KS/IC(realitively speaking) in the GOld Cup he could pick up the pieces at the end.
I actually think Kempes would need very slow ground at Cheltenham to have any chance. In a decent ground Gold Cup they go so quick that Kempes jumping technique just wouldn’t hold up and he would get miles behind or fall over.
If it was really slow going and the field went canny to ensure they stayed then he might stay close enough for his turn of foot to be a factor. Can’t see him winning in any case.
Pandorama by far Ireland’s best chance.
Sorry for the rant but this is worth a life-changing amount of money for me. Any comments positive or negative welcome.
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