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You are talking about both my long term Hennessey fancies
Would that be with the other 6 or 8?
You are talking about both my long term Hennessey fancies
Would that be with the other 6 or 8?
I fancy 5 horses for this years Hennessey reet,
Diamond Harry
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Weird al
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Burton Port
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Pandorama
and on strictly exposed handicapping
Madison du Berlais
, i have only backed one horse though but i will back others as i"m ultimately looking to profit on the race,bearing in mind there are 4 places up for grabs,5 with some reet and your
Silver by Nature
wont be among them!
:lol:
Wasn’t it Newbury where Diamond Harry jumped like a crab, to scrape home from the equally iffy Bensalem in a 3 runner race?You are talking about both my long term Hennessey fancies! Dont tell me you dont think Diamond will finish in the first 4 reet?
Your Maj,
Reethard is right about DH’s jumping at Newbury: it was shocking. Also, I don’t see how the form of a (brush) hurdle race a year ago (when Burton port was only 5) translates into form over fences.
Would have been nice to see Daimond Harry at Ascot, Wetherby or Wincanton putting in a clear round over fences.
Seldomseenkid, what you and reet are failing to recognise is that
Diamond Harry
was still a big raw recruit to fencing last year,i said at the start of last season he wouldn"t win the RSA because connections were too slow to start his chasing career,i am well aware
Burton Port
was only a 6yo when he contested the RSA and he too is a serious horse but Diamond Harry gave him over a Stone in weight over intermediate fences at Haydock and that makes a big difference but Diamond is a far bigger horse than Burtons so he could carry it,on level weights i think that too favours the big horse,another thing is Diamond is a lighter raced individual than Burtons so again he has the positive that he has filled out over the summer both mentally and physically,i am expecting a massive run from several horses on Saturday but Diamond Harry still ticks every box!
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And what you are failing to recognise, TAPK, is that Diamond Harry won that hurdle race through speed, not stamina, and though being trained as a World Hurdle candidate afterwards, he was rather hurriedly swiched to chasing after the Long Walk, when they realised he wasn’t good enough/didn’t stay. Since then he has done nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest he has the making of a top class chaser, and his chasing OR still remains some 12lbs less than his (overrated, imo) hurdles rating
Burton Port, conversely, (Whom you and so many others are are wrongly judging DH upon) needed further not less, than the Haydock test, and has improved leaps and bounds since sent chasing, losing just 1 out of 7 races in the process.
As I said earlier, I doubt Diamond Harry will finish in the same county.My short list is:
Denman – Just going of stable reports, they seem very excited, more so than previous runs and that can only be a good thing.
Weird Al – Handicapper says they contemplated raising him 9lbs higher but thought be unfair to do this if he missed the Hennessey, so you could say he is a few pound well in here, and even so I think he has the talent to run out the handicap anyway. Looks an awesome horse to look at too. Form of his last run looks very strong.
Pandorama – Form wise he looks very solid and would agree with his trainer he has been somewhat overlooked, beat some very good horses in his chase career so far and is respected.
Another I also like would be Taranis, I still think he would have run a huge race in the Gold Cup last year. Just misses out on my shortlist though.
A lot of big future Gold Cup horses might emerge from this I would hope.
Diamond Harry wasn’t too bad (though not great) at Newbury last year. The telling performance was the RSA at Cheltenham…he was immediately taken wide to the outside and deliberately away from the other horses (my assumption was they were very worried about his jumping and wanted to give him every chance) he jumped ok for a circuit and then immediatley the race started in earnest down the far side when the pace lifted he went to pieces. Worryingly he made mistakes of every type…too long, in close, propping, guessing. To my eye he is far too unco-ordinated as a jumper to win a race like this in a big field. He is like a truck and trailer, his back end and front end are barely attached.
It pretty academic anyway as Pandorama is well handicapped by about 2 stone and will pull away up the straight. Weird Al and Burton Port in attendance.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayRSggF9rU
I think PN was a bit pissed
Your Maj,
Brush hurdles are not fences: if that’s your evidence that he can jump a fence, it is contradicted by his runs over proper fences. Diamond Harry is a fine hurdler, and may even turn out to be a fine chaser. But nothing he’s done in two completed chases in tiny fields, jumping poorly followed by fluffing his lines in the RSA has shown that he will be as yet.
I’m rather hoping that Sporting Index will have BP/DH as a match bet as I know which one i will pick.
Let me make myself quite clear reet and seldomseenkid, i see the Hennessey as the perfect stepping stone from being a good novice to potential Gold cup horse! My notes clearly show
Weird Al
is my number 1 Gold Cup horse (£100 e/w at 33/1).I have also backed
Burton Port
at 30"s as my number 2 selection! Pandorama will need Soft ground at Cheltenham to have any chance so i have not backed him!
Diamond Harry
is not on my Gold Cup radar and even when he wins on Saturday i know he wont be capable of winning at Cheltenham as he will be wandering all over the place as they climb the hill! 10 stone around Newbury a course he likes is a world apart from 11-10 around Cheltenham a course he doesn"t like! I am staying loyal to my long term selection here but i"m bloody sure Pandorama,Burton Port and Weird Al will be right there! I said Denman had No chance last year and he proved me wrong,i think he has even less chance this year! These Novices will pay the compliment to what i thought was a racing certainty of a Gold Cup winner in Weapons Amnesty!
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It always makes me smile when people offer opinion as though it were fact. Diamond Harry travelled further than Burton Port at Haydock, having been kept to the outside all the way, and pulled for the majority of the race, yet Burton Port was beaten by Diamond Harry’s speed? Doesn’t add up.
As I said earlier, I doubt Diamond Harry will finish in the same county.
Racing’s all about opinions and we’ll find out on Saturday- weather permitting!
It always makes me smile when people offer opinion as though it were fact. Diamond Harry travelled further than Burton Port at Haydock, having been kept to the outside all the way, and pulled for the majority of the race, yet Burton Port was beaten by Diamond Harry’s speed? Doesn’t add up.
As I said earlier, I doubt Diamond Harry will finish in the same county.
Racing’s all about opinions and we’ll find out on Saturday- weather permitting!
Yquem21,thats just me and reet having a little "Tet ar tet"! He"s been trying to get one over me since i was a lad it seems! I like to dangle a Carrot and yet again he"s gone for it with another classic "I doubt Diamond Harry will finish in the same county" line! Great stuff!
I think he"s in the wrong county with his Silver by Nature
! The Welsh Nationals in Monmouthshire!
I see that crafty bugger Mouse Morris has left China Rock in having said only yesterday that he doesn’t run. It reminds me of the time that "somebody" backed one of his horses at Cheltenham "first past the post" (i.e. regardless of any stewards intervention) only for the jockey to weigh in 10 lbs light!
Denman – Just going of stable reports, they seem very excited, more so than previous runs and that can only be a good thing.
I dare say most of us will be wishing that we judged with our eyes, not our ears (or is that our heads rather than our hearts).
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It always makes me smile when people offer opinion as though it were fact. Diamond Harry travelled further than Burton Port at Haydock, having been kept to the outside all the way, and pulled for the majority of the race, yet Burton Port was beaten by Diamond Harry’s speed? Doesn’t add up.
Yquem
It certainly wasn’t stamina that saw Diamond Harty ease clear on the bridle, fully 3f from home, in the Haydock race, nor, if subsequent events are to be believed, was it class.
It was my firm opinion, expressed in the aftermath of that race (when most were still eulogising), that DH was overrated for that run. Nothing, but nothing, he’s achieved, in all his races since, suggests I should change that opinon.- Total Posts 438
Nothing, but nothing, he’s achieved, in all his races since, suggests I should change that opinon.
As I said, you’re fully entitled to your opinion. However, even the briefest of glances through the formbook would show you that no horse gave the admirable and consistent Knockara Beau as heavy a beating last season as did Diamond Harry at Haydock last January. Knockara Beau was subsequently runner-up to both Weird Al, in the Towton, and to Burton Port in the Reynoldstown. He finished relatively close-up behind Weapons Amnesty in the Sun Alliance, too.
Okay, Diamond Harry blew his lines at Cheltenham but he had absolutely laughed at Knockara Beau at Haydock. He seems ideally suited to a flat track and plenty of time between his races- things ought to be ideal for him on Saturday.
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