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  • #5030
    thedarkknight
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    Had perfectly good, safe fast ground, yet they chronically overwater it for their biggest day of the year and produce a shambolic surface. You only had to watch the Group 1 to see how few horses acted on it properly.

    Punters had no chance and trainers and owners have been misled.

    Tellwright should resign imo.

    #114038
    Pegwell Bay
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    The picture on the front page of the racing section of the Sporting Life right now tells a tale.

    (Red Clubs passing the line with clods of mud flying up behind him).

    If that was Good to Firm I’ll show my arse on the Town Hall steps!

    #114039
    Venusian
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    I don’t think Tellwright should resign, rather, he should be sacked, as should Needham.

    #114040
    wit
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    sackings do tend to be more expensive for the employer, and more lucrative for employee, than resignations.

    wit

    #114041
    Glenn
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    Agreed it was a disgrace, but seeing as the incentives to water were put in place by some of his own owners my sympathies for Morrison are limited.

    He should realise: If you lie down with the dogs you’re gonna get up with a few fleas.

    #114042
    thedarkknight
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    Aside from the fact that your cheap jibe has no basis in reality (as per usual) – it wasn’t just Morrison who was put away, it was every owner and trainer involved with a fast ground horse and every punter who had studied and bet based on the official going description of g/f (gd).

    And what about Chapple Hyam who pulled out 2 horses in the Sprint Cup due to "fast ground"?

    #114047
    Glenn
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    Semantics TDK.

    The big bookies own SIS, who in turn bung the racecourses £4k per race. This bung is witheld if fields are smaller than 8, hence the endless watering.

    We’ll never see firm ground again, away from Bath, as long as the big bookies punish courses that produce it.

    #114048
    Venusian
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    There was no need for the wretched man to water the course at all, what was he "thinking" about?

    At this time of year, it’s not unreasonable to expect ground on the fast side of good after a dry week, and for the racecourse not to make a bollocks of it.

    Needless to say, the criticism from C4 was pretty muted. Francome made a few rather mild remarks and Plunkett didn’t voice an opinion (or didn’t have one to voice, take your pick).

    Don’t want to upset anyone do they?

    #114054
    cormack15
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    No problem with watering to provide good or softish ground so long as they tell it as it is.

    #114055
    Cav
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    The goingstick was reporting 7.9 GF/G in places at 8am this morning. Is that not to be trusted like almost everything else in this game or did they water after the report was published?

    #114056
    Gareth Flynn
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    How far down does the GoingStick go? Visually it looked like classic false ground – loose on top due to late watering that failed to get down into the ground.

    #114061
    thedarkknight
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    Semantics TDK.

    The big bookies own SIS, who in turn bung the racecourses £4k per race. This bung is witheld if fields are smaller than 8, hence the endless watering.

    We’ll never see firm ground again, away from Bath, as long as the big bookies punish courses that produce it.

    It isn’t semantics. Presumably you are referring to owners who are actually no longer owners in the yard, who work for a bookie that doesn’t own any part of SIS!

    If the racecourses are feeling any pressure from bookmakers to water, then I am in full agreement that it is totally unacceptable.

    #114062
    Cav
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    Good to Soft ground reported as Good to Firm for one of the biggest sprints of the year not a disgrace?

    #114063
    Pegwell Bay
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    thought it was a good days racing actually, three high weighted horses filled the first three places in the big long distance handicap. "disgrace" a bit of an overeaction.

    Well that would be fine, IF they preferred a bit of cut in the ground! :roll:

    #114065
    Pegwell Bay
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    Good to Firm my ringpiece! :evil:

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