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spare a thought for the paying public. i am a Redcar annual member and along with fellow annual members and paying public are looking forward to fri and sat racing this week,
who the hell does haggas think he is the man has probably never been to up here in his life.i have no prob owners boycotting races thats there choice,but do they need telling by some toffee nosed southerner not to run there horses here.
stay down south haggas and leave our course alone dust your top hat and go to ascot this week and crawl around as many millionaires as you like.Redcars been around for years and hopefully when we get over these hard times Redcar and it supporters will still be here.GOOD LUCK TO ALL OWNERS WHO HAVE RUNNERS AT REDCAR FRI AND SAT.
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It’s not just the "Southern Toffs" even your very own Mark Johnston will be abandoning Redcar but the looks of his Bletherings.
Sort your prize money out or dont put any Racing on.
The racecourses rip customers off for a product supplied by the people they give measly prize money to. To say "owners know the score before they get into the game", etc, etc, so should put up with crap prize money is a scandalous argument.
So logic is scandalous in your opinion?
Ricard,
William Haggas is a Yorkshireman, not a Southern Toff.
His father, Brian, is a Yorkshire multi millionaire textile magnate, best known recently for his purchase of Harris Tweed (the clothing company, not the racehorse).
AP
ok ap the point i am making.i support my local course and enjoy racing there,yes even the class 5 and 6 handicaps
there is normally plenty of runners at redcar if owners decide to boycott let it be there choice.many of the smaller owners and trainers would not have the opportunity to run their horses at hhe bigger meetings.would Mr Haggas be bothered about them.Redcar is a small independent racecourse, their levy has fallen from £420,000 in 2010 to £230,000 in 2011. To offset this they have ploughed their 50k profit into the prize fund. What else could you expect them to do?
Perhaps William Haggas’s Father could sponsor a race or two.Ricard,
William Haggas is a Yorkshireman, not a Southern Toff.
His father, Brian, is a Yorkshire multi millionaire textile magnate, best known recently for his purchase of Harris Tweed (the clothing company, not the racehorse).
AP
So he should be well aware why bleating about prize money will get short shrift in that particular part of the country.
With squinted eyes I can just about see the argument that racecourses are making plenty of money so they should put some more into prize money.
That’s if those courses are owned by The Jockey Club, Arena or Northern Racing who have revenue from many courses but I think Redcar is independent & I wonder just how much profit they actually make.
In fact while I’m on about independent courses, Leicester has seen a couple of boycotts too.
In the main, are JCR, Arena & Northern hitting tariff?
Ricard,
I was just correcting on fact – I’m 100% with you that Haggas has no basis for getting involved in telling local trainers to boycott Redcar. Indeed that was the point I was quietly hoping to get across in my original post – perhaps not successfully.
If I was a struggling Northern based trainer, or a one horse owner in that area, I’d certainly take exception to being told what to do by a man whose entire career is a testament to the power of nepotism.
Anthony,
Musselburgh and Taunton are also independent tracks, and both have been the subject of favourable comment on here in recent months for the leve of prize money they offer. The level of secrecy that surrounds the finances of our racecourses doesn’t make it easy to understand why they can manage so much better than Leicester and Redcar.
But it’s hard to escape the feeling that some tracks are much better managed and run than others.
AP
quixall, as the levy has dwindled the media rights money has shot up redcar get between 5 and 7k per race media money for putting the meeting on they consider this their money and dont want to put it towards filling the gap left by the levy fall the horsemen think this is wrong, what do you think?
quixall, as the levy has dwindled the media rights money has shot up redcar get between 5 and 7k per race media money for putting the meeting on they consider this their money and dont want to put it towards filling the gap left by the levy fall the horsemen think this is wrong, what do you think?
Every racecourse gets media rights money, how do you know they consider it ‘their’ money? Surely they have to pay staff, the course needs to be maintained etc, etc. This is a direct quote from Redcar’s FB page;
We’ve lost £175,000 since last year in levy funding. We’re having to supplement that loss of funding. Last year we made £50,000 profit all of which has been put back into prizemoney. We also haven’t increased… our entrance prices for 4 years because we understand how tough life is for our racegoers. We’re doing our best & would love to put more money into prizemoney but we just haven’t got the finance to meet the tariffs the Horsemen’s Group have introduced.I know from business trips to Teesside that their is a high rate of unemployment in that area & feel that they are doing their best in difficult circumstances.
This is a direct quote from Redcar’s FB page;
We’ve lost £175,000 since last year in levy funding. We’re having to supplement that loss of funding. Last year we made £50,000 profit all of which has been put back into prizemoney. We also haven’t increased… our entrance prices for 4 years because we understand how tough life is for our racegoers. We’re doing our best & would love to put more money into prizemoney but we just haven’t got the finance to meet the tariffs the Horsemen’s Group have introduced.Are racecourses allowed to unilaterally cancel individual fixtures or ‘downsize’ their annual allocation, should they wish. Or does permission have to be sought from an acronym or collection of acronyms first?
It strikes me that tracks such as Redcar who are dipping into their limited reserves in order to bolster levy-depleted races would be wise to ‘rationalize’ now, rather than wait for the day when their bank says ‘no more’
Fewer meetings and fewer races = racecourses not bankrupted and tariffs met
Or is that too simplistic?
jonny, if my figues are wrong, their wrong, no problem there, but I’d need a more factual response than your last one to be convinced otherwise.
On the face of it a fair reply from Redcar, but where does picture rights money come into it? Would they have had increased revenue from that source?
According to an article in the RP last week, projected levy yield for 2010-2011 is now forecast at 59.5 million, down 5.5 million on the 65 million forecast by the Levy Board. Yet the provisional fixture list for 2012 is down just 0.5 per cent on the 2011 version.
This is a direct quote from Redcar’s FB page;
We’ve lost £175,000 since last year in levy funding. We’re having to supplement that loss of funding. Last year we made £50,000 profit all of which has been put back into prizemoney. We also haven’t increased… our entrance prices for 4 years because we understand how tough life is for our racegoers. We’re doing our best & would love to put more money into prizemoney but we just haven’t got the finance to meet the tariffs the Horsemen’s Group have introduced.Are racecourses allowed to unilaterally cancel individual fixtures or ‘downsize’ their annual allocation, should they wish. Or does permission have to be sought from an acronym or collection of acronyms first?
It strikes me that tracks such as Redcar who are dipping into their limited reserves in order to bolster levy-depleted races would be wise to ‘rationalize’ now, rather than wait for the day when their bank says ‘no more’
Fewer meetings and fewer races = racecourses not bankrupted and tariffs met
Or is that too simplistic?
That’s probably too simplistic – I’d imagine they need the turnover from the various meetings in order to pay the permanent members of staff, those who operate the ticket office etc.
Though I doubt there’s anything stopping Redcar from staging harness racing if they wanted to diversify – would get money in from the BHRC and co and probably still get bums on seats so to speak.
Now that the three re-opened races have been closed to further entries, we can see that there 85 entries for the Redcar meeting on Friday.
The key difference between tariff and prize money relate to the Class 3 sprint handicap – Redcar offer £6k, the tariff is £11.5k – and that has only nine entries, including three from Richard Guest.
Amongst the trainers with entries are at least two members of the 18 man NTF committee, of which Haggas is one of the three current presidents.
AP
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