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According to this report in the Post :
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … gbusiness/
trainer William Haggas has written to trainers suggesting they should not run at the two day Redcar meeting next Friday/Saturday.
Haggas of course trains in Newmarket, hardly ever has runners at Redcar, and will spend Friday and Saturday saddling horses at Royal Ascot.
It’s tough on the picket lines ……
AP
Haggis is spot on and I applaud him for his actions. His owners don’t need the prize money but he is still making an effort for the greater good. A lot of the idiots who take cheap shots at the Tarriff campaigners have never paid a training bill in all their lives.
The reality is that the racecourses and the bookmakers want a handout and they are no better than a load of grasping ponces. You can’t knock em for trying tho
The racecourses could close Racing UK and Turf TV down tomorrow get more cash from SIS and up prize money. Why don’t they ask Luck, McNae and the other gravy trainers to work for £50 a day. It’s no different from asking owners to race for £1,500
Those in your opinion who take cheapshots at least realise nobody forces anyone to become an owner. The conditions are there when you take that step – if you don’t like them don’t take it.
barnetsimon
If what you say is right then surely the problem is curing itself.
However the amount of racing taking place at the moment, and the size of fields, suggest there isn’t a problem getting runners at most courses even with perceived low prize mnoey. Bottom line is that nobody is forced into the sport and it’s a game for people with plenty of disposable income anyway.
Take this evening’s card at Lingfield. the second third and fourth races are run for £1706, £2184 and £1706, not exactly impressive prize mnoey. Yet the fields for these three races are 18, 18 and 12. No suggestion of poor prize money scaring runners away from Lingfield…
Is it me imagining it, or are the only trainers complaining about prize money those with plenty of rich owners to subsidise them?
Rob
Speaking as one who is currently considering taking a first step into ownership (with a couple of friends) the levels of prizemoney at some British tracks causes me dismay.
I cannot help but think that this encourages a temptation to over race horses at best and to result to downright skullduggery at worst.
We all know that manipulating a handicap rating is a skill in itself, but if the only way to have a chance at paying the bills is to gamble heavily then surely this can only be bad for the sport.
In my opinion there are too many snouts in the trough taking money out of the sport.
I would want to see any horse I was connected to actually run in the flesh, but there is a real disadvantage in having one in the north of England compared to what is on offer in France and IrelandOf course they don’t have bookmakers in France…
Seriously though, it’s all very well having you horse trained and running in France, but if you don’t live next the airport or a Eurostar terminal then it’s a darned sight easier to see your horse running if it’s England. People don’t own horses to make money, they own them to be at the races and watch them run.
Coggy stated
In my opinion there are too many snouts in the trough taking money out of the sport.
Quite right and ’twas every thus, at least since the advent of betting shops. That’s gone on for longer than I can remember and, whatever measures are taken, it ain’t going to change very quickly. It’s down to human nature and we have an historical problem in the way racing is funded, one to which the BHA is sadly hostage. To get out of it there would be a lot of pain before any gain, and I’m not sure the majority in racing fancy the severe pain they would get compared to the dull ache that persists.
Rob
P.S. where did ‘barnetsimon’ disappear to?
It is starting to look like it’s only the ‘big name’ trainers that are kicking up such a fuss about prize money & they only care about Class 4 & above.
The low end trainers keep turning up to low money races without so much as a peep.
At least that’s how it appears to me.
I think Mr Haggas has got a cheek to be honest. He should have a walk round the town of Redcar. The prize money might not be to his liking but at least he’ll have a job to go to in the morning.
I’d say his pleas will fall on deaf ears when you consider from a double standards point of view Mr Haggas has run plenty of horses in below tariff races since the first of April. I count 25 in class five and class six races alone (going by official prizemoney in the Raceform database).
As mentioned, Redcar wont cause him too much pain considering he has averaged less than 5 runners a season there over the last 5 seasons. No mention of nearby Yarmouth where he’s already run six horses in sub tariff races this season.
In any event the industry has shown as much militancy as the Swiss Guard, when it comes to the thorny issue of prizemoney.
Pass the "tartar" sauce…
Haggas can stir as much as he likes but at the end of the day it is not his decision where the horses run – it is the owners.
It is like Richard Hannon’s much vaunted proclamation where he declared (and I paraphrase as I do not have the exact quote to hand) ‘I will not run any horses in below tariff races at Windsor.’
Before quietly adding, ‘… unless my owners tell me to.’
Empty, vacuous, posturing.
However the amount of racing taking place at the moment, and the size of fields, suggest there isn’t a problem getting runners at most courses even with perceived low prize mnoey. Bottom line is that nobody is forced into the sport and it’s a game for people with plenty of disposable income anyway.
Can argue its simple economics. with as many horses in training as ever and god knows how many races let alone seemingly very few trainers throwing in the towel during what has been a real downturn, find an economist who would argue that higher prize money is required?
On the other hand, the bills and losses take sometime to filter through and it could be more of a long term impact rather than immediate, but all the same…
I do think some of the purses are embarassing when compared with overseas but nothing is suggesting that at the moment it doesnt work
He’s gone to that great forum in the sky Rob!
I did wonder where the Tom Queally thread had gone.If such a thing is to take place, Redcar is the logical place, it’s one of 4 flat tracks that won’t enter into discussion about prize money and tariffs and many races there last week and this week are below tariff.
Hopefully if the BHA decide to cull race meetings in the future the tracks that won’t put up prize money to even meet the meagre tariffs will be first in line.cav you are wrong about yarmouth all races above tariff this season
I’m happy to be corrected on that, jonny. I have his below tarrif runners as…
06/04/2011 ….. KEMPTON (A.W) ….. Exchange ….. 3489 ….. 3500
20/04/2011 ….. SOUTHWELL (A.W) ….. Firebeam ….. 3446 ….. 3500
27/04/2011 ….. KEMPTON (A.W) ….. Uptown Guy ….. 3489 ….. 3500
06/05/2011 ….. NOTTINGHAM ….. To The Spring ….. 3842 ….. 3900
10/05/2011 ….. YARMOUTH ….. Newby Lodge ….. 2462 ….. 2500
10/05/2011 ….. WARWICK ….. Anoint ….. 3446 ….. 3500
10/05/2011 ….. YARMOUTH ….. Pickled Pelican ….. 3446 ….. 3500
16/05/2011 ….. BATH ….. Pearl Storm ….. 2462 ….. 2500
17/05/2011 ….. KEMPTON (A.W) ….. Starbound ….. 2462 ….. 2500
18/05/2011 ….. KEMPTON (A.W) ….. Hamble ….. 2462 ….. 2500
18/05/2011 ….. KEMPTON (A.W) ….. Watneya ….. 3446 ….. 3500
20/05/2011 ….. YARMOUTH ….. Beechcraft Baron ….. 2758 ….. 2800
25/05/2011 ….. BEVERLEY ….. Elmaam ….. 3446 ….. 3500
27/05/2011 ….. NEWCASTLE ….. Flying Phoenix ….. 2758 ….. 2800
30/05/2011 ….. LEICESTER ….. Red Riverman ….. 3446 ….. 3500
31/05/2011 ….. YARMOUTH ….. Dubawi Dancer ….. 2462 ….. 2500
31/05/2011 ….. YARMOUTH ….. Fluctuation ….. 3446 ….. 3500
02/06/2011 ….. SANDOWN ….. Faraway ….. 3446 ….. 3500
02/06/2011 ….. SOUTHWELL (A.W) ….. Beechcraft Baron ….. 3446 ….. 3500
02/06/2011 ….. LINGFIELD (A.W) ….. Map Of Heaven ….. 3446 ….. 3500
03/06/2011 ….. DONCASTER ….. Dictionary ….. 3842 ….. 3900
06/06/2011 ….. WINDSOR ….. Expose ….. 3446 ….. 3500
08/06/2011 ….. HAYDOCK ….. Thubiaan ….. 3446 ….. 3500
09/06/2011 ….. YARMOUTH ….. Red Riverman ….. 3446 ….. 3500Can you put me straight, please.
sorry dont have time to go thru every race but yarmouth deff all above tariff for 2011, not sure you are using the correct figs, tariff’s are based on added pm think the only runner haggas has had below T was in the spring mile 40k should have been 43k
I support the tarriff boycott 1 million %.
No owners, no racing.
The racecourses rip customers off for a product supplied by the people they give measly prize money to. To say "owners know the score before they get into the game", etc, etc, so should put up with crap prize money is a scandalous argument.
The bookmakers too should pay more.
P.S. I am not an owner.
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