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So we are now reduced to whining about the death of our children after giving everyone permission to carry guns. What a sad travesty of the right to bear arms.What a price to pay to be red neck.
The "good old" USA is a strange place. Its people seemingly believe everyone should have the right to carry arms for self defence. In the mistaken belief – they’d have their hand, on that weapon, pointing in the right direction, at the exact time his/her/their family’s life is in danger.
It is stupid.
My brother hired a car in the US. The hire company rang to tell (not ask) him to take the car back to the hire company immediately. No reason was given. When he got there police were waiting. Pointed their weapons directly at him and told my bro to "get out of the car with your hands up and lie on the floor". So he did so…
Turns out, a policeman had hired the car and left his gun underneath the seat, and they were "taking no chances".What a country.
Value Is EverythingWaiting to hear what Obama has to say, but it seems there’s got to be every religeous group saying a prayer first. If their God existed, wouldn’t he have prevented this killing of innocent children?
Value Is EverythingSo we are now reduced to whining about the death of our children after giving everyone permission to carry guns. What a sad travesty of the right to bear arms.What a price to pay to be red neck.
I and many many other Americans agree with you and understand that the Second Amendment is:
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well regulated
militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
Those two words are all too often ignored.
That being said, I don’t think you realize the depth of "gun culture" in this country. Lots of suburban households have a gun, even if they have no idea how to use it – it’s a sort of security blanket that convinces them that they’ll be safe in case of robbery or home invasion.
I took riflery lessons when I was at summer camp, about 10 years old, for whatever reason it’s considered a good "life skill" to have
. I think I managed to hit the target maybe a handful of times.Is something true because someone says so? When I studied logic we learned that the argument from authority was the weakest of all arguments.It seems to me that the argument from the 2nd amendment is based on the say so of someone who had little idea what democracy was all about.How in the name of all that is good does a "well regulated militia " mean everyone carries a 21st century firearm? Why not a rocket? although the strict constructionists would challenge that since the FF’s did not include rocket in the constitution.It is certainly not a firearm.It seems to me the constitution allows only weapons of the time.But I don’t see Souter arguing that case.Some states now allow fire arms to be carried in church.
I have been reading Louis L’Amour and his explanation of the need for sidearms etc had to do with the lack of civilisation in the "west".latest US stats:
"In 2009, 31,347 persons died from firearm injuries in the United States (Tables 18 and 19)….The two major component causes of all firearm injury deaths in 2009 were suicide (59.8%) and homicide (36.7%)."
See pages 11 and 81 here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf
International stats on firearm-related death-rate per 100,000 of population:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … death_rate
in both cases note how much when it comes to guns – in the ‘developed’ countries at least [tho not HK ] – suicides far outweigh homicides, never mind the homicide subset of mass shootings.
it’s mainly a mental health problem, from lowest to highest in society.
including ‘I have a drone’ Obama.
Of course it’s a mental health problem.No doubt.But the big gun users are the military.Remember the pleasure the GW.gang got out of shock and awe? But how about the release of stress found in killing birds and deer?Better kill them than ourselves I suppose.They say it is a way of life here in the US but they never recognize that the way is from the 1700s.Children with access to guns now belongs to us and the 3rd world..Guns are for killing people.The mother in this story who took her son to the range was killed by that same son.Can you believe the rational for taking a disturbed son to the gun range and teach him how to kill?The first one he killed was his mom.Instead of bringing her son to the doctor she brought him to the range!And she was considered sane!Yes indeed it is a mental health problem.
I love the us and so much about the country and culture, but their attitude to gun ownership does leave me baffled. Whilst it can be dismissed as a mental health issue, such easy access to frightening weapons is clearly dangerous
There is a map detailing the strictness of gun ownership state by state and the level of homicides and the results are almost straight line. California and some north east states have strict rules and they work
They have to sort it out
I really can not comprehend the NRA’s solution of putting ‘Armed security’ in every single school across America. I believe Columbine had it’s own ‘armed security’ and that didn’t stop that massacre.
How can a lobbyist group have so much power, that it dictates policy?
Having teachers armed is not the answer, the NRA saying "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun" is absurd, How about trying, the bad guy doesn’t have a gun to start with?
No one wants the second amendment repealed, but seriously who needs thousands of rounds of ammunition to ‘defend themselves’?
Who needs a machine gun to defend themselves?
Being from the UK, I have never seen a gun in my life, and I would never want to. To me arming teachers is incomprehensible, even having all police officers armed is beyond my thinking.USA needs to do something fast, why is it even a political issue anyway, there should be cross party support on a ban on weapons and ammunition to stop it becoming a problem like in Somalia, Afghanistan and Colombia. How can the solution to gun crime be more guns?
Quick facts:
Firearm Homicide’s
3.20 Per 100/000 in USA
0.12 Per 100/000 In England & WalesHomicides with firearm
USA = 66%
England & Wales = 8%As one lady said on US TV, if someone NEEDS a gun for hunting or to protect their property, it does not NEED to be a gun which shoots 100 rounds a minute! Absolutely right! The ownership of such guns by the general public should be banned, no matter what the damned Amendment says!
The idea of armed guards in USA schools is ridiculous. The awful,devastating damage that can be inflicted by one of these crazy loonies with an assault rifle can be done long before a bored, half-asleep security man can get from one end of the school to the other, makes it a non-solution to the problem.
Maybe an amendment to the Amendment limiting guns to,say, 5 shots max? Ok, not a perfect solution, but the American public are never going to go for a total ban, but it might save some lives?
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