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January 4, 2010 at 23:07 #267727
Why I didn’t back him again at 100/1 I’ll never know, but I was working that morning and just thought he wouldn’t even run. Felt as if I’d lost £20 and found a fiver.
I don’t bet in very large amounts (£1 e.w in this case) but I make it a rule to never say to myself or anyone else, ‘I wish I’d had more on that.’ Although for some reason he was only 66/1 with Totesport so that was a bit gutting.
Still, I also won my work sweepstake (which I ran). A typical conversation went thus:
‘How did you fix the sweepstake?’
‘I didn’t. The real question is how did I fix the National!’
As you can probably guess, I like telling my 2009 Grand National story! And the 2008 National was what got me seriously into racing in the first place. But that’s for another day.
January 4, 2010 at 23:13 #267731I checked the BHA website (regarding the fixture list) before I wrote the original post in this sequence, David. I’ll go and check again.
January 4, 2010 at 23:18 #267732Whoops, you’re right. [/color:8pqpguc5]
I must have looked at the 2009 Fixture List by mistake.
I’ll go back and put big red letters over the previous posts!!!
[edit: I holding out a slim hope that I’m innocent, and at the time (26th Dec) the BHA had a link that said 2010 Pocket Book Fixture List, that actually took one to the 2009 list, and has since been fixed.]
January 5, 2010 at 10:14 #267794No problem! Easy mistake.
I just happened to have checked it out for one of ours. Horses rated below 139 are unlikely to get a run.
January 5, 2010 at 10:49 #267807Looks like it could be fun and games at the Canal Turn, if the righty Eric’s Charm is still standing:-
ERIC’S CHARM
12 b g Nikos – Ladoun
Staying handicap chaser who won off highest mark of 135 latest start when beating Lorum Leader 19 lengths over three miles five at Sandown December 5. Now 143 but has been competitive off that calibre of rating in the past.
"Sandown last time was his day but there will be others. The owners are very keen to have a crack at the Grand National so he won’t run again until after the weights have been announced. Phil Smith, the handicapper, is adamant he’s a National horse – I’m not so sure. Although he fell in the Topham, that trip was too short and put him out of his comfort zone."Given the erstwhile Whitbread Gold Cup isn’t perhaps quite as much of a class magnet of a race as it used to be (certainly last season’s renewal was pretty ordinary in comparison to most), I’d still far rather the old boy was kept for that, knowing it’s an attainable prize around a C&D we know he adores.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
January 5, 2010 at 10:53 #267809155 Star de Mohaison Retired? [/color:2so3fcd1]
Not retired – he’s entered in the class 2 handicap chase at Sedgefield this Saturday, under the trainership now of Martin Todhunter.
Shame the weather forecast is so unspeakably grim and an abandonment almost inevitable – this is potentially a stellar contest by the County Durham track’s usual standards, and the Saturday afternoon fixture itself a real rarity for it nowadays.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
January 5, 2010 at 14:51 #267891Well spotted GC.
I suspect that a few more apart from myself have given up looking at 5 deccies for the next few days.
January 5, 2010 at 14:59 #267895Hi Gerald, thoughts on Dear Villez? and is he listed on betfair?
January 5, 2010 at 15:08 #267901Yorkshirepudding wrote:
Scarp the gold cup nonsense and lets see Denmen and Kauto Star go head to head over the big fences. These are supposed to be the best chasers yet the greatest prize in steeplechasing is one they shun.
I think if u ask the majority, the Gold Cup is far and away considered the greatest prize in Chasing.
January 5, 2010 at 16:03 #267926BB, you know I ain’t an expert, so I don’t know why you’re asking my opinion.
Dear Villez ain’t in the Betfair market, and I’m not going to add him.
Looking at his pedigree, I would have guessed that he would be a 9-11f horse on the Flat.
Hasn’t run since PU in the Scottish version, so unless you know he is due to run, or that he is being aimed at the race, I would advise not betting on him. This comes from someone who bet £171 last year on horses that weren’t entered for the GN.
I’ve checked Paul Nicholls’ website, and Dear Villez is still listed as a Horse-in-training. However, so is Star De Mohaison, and we’ve just found out he is at another stable.
This comes from the Racing Post Stable Tour, 26th Oct 2009:-
Is still 6 lb higher than when he won the Munster National over a year ago; because he wasn’t disgraced on his next three starts, the handicapper hasn’t dropped him much. There are no concrete plans: we’ll look at the Becher, the Hennessy again and the Welsh National. He has to have soft ground, needs to go left-handed and is best fresh, so Chepstow over Christmas might suit.If you want to know my opinion on his jumping, I outsource that work to Moe. However, as Nicholls was thinking about the Becher it must be fine.
You’ve talked me into it, I’ll ask betfair to add him to the market. The only problem is there is another horse that I keep on forgetting to add, so I’ll work out which one it is first, before I do so.
By the way, I was thinking of you when I added Nozic to the market a few days ago.
January 5, 2010 at 16:09 #267928Intersting that Will Be Done was brought back quietly in a novice hurdle at Leicester over Christmas, after being off the track since January, and having only ever run over fences beforehand.
The stable wouldn’t be trying to preserve his steeplechase mark of 147 for a tilt at the National, would they? I hear they quite like to have a dash in the race.
I’ve taken an average of 214 on BetFair.
January 5, 2010 at 16:22 #267934I believe Denman will beat Kauto in March, but nothing is certain in this game. If Kauto did beat him, fair and square, does anyone think that Denman may go for the National?
January 5, 2010 at 16:32 #267941There’s only 22 days between the Gold Cup and the National this season. You would have to think it unlikely Denman would run, even if connections left him in the race for that long (which I’m not convinced they will).
Perversely, I think Denman a much more likely National runner if he is beaten by Kauto Star, than if he wins the Gold Cup.
January 5, 2010 at 16:39 #267948sure I replied Gerald but it seems to have got lost in the snow
nozic! thanks, ran for all the world like a non-stayer in wales though?
Dear Villez hits the national stats left right and centre, the problem being his trainer, who can’t train national runners for toffee (not that he needs to of course) and the potential lack of runs they’re going to give him. Interesting if targeted though, he has an engine.
January 5, 2010 at 16:43 #267950I fear Dear Villez’s problem is in his head….he doesn’t put it all in, as far as I’m concerned.
January 5, 2010 at 17:04 #267966It says in Jumping Prospects ‘I think he should be given another chance in similar races when he returns in the Autumn’ ie staying chases; so where is he? Unless they’re planning to run him fresh [like, really fresh] he needs to have ran [run?] somewhere by now to have any sort of a chance. He did tick a lot of boxes and I had forgotten about him. Move him to Gordon Elliot, I say…still keeping an eye on Gungadu, I am…..
January 5, 2010 at 17:06 #267969AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
I’d sit and wait to see how he is ridden in the Gold Cup Aido. If he is held up longer to try and save energy to get him up the hill this time year and goes about 3-4 fences from home instead of the front end of the 2nd circuit then I would risk having an AP bet on him for the National.
Just an idea but I think they will ride him somewhere between how they rode him last season and how they rode him 2 seasons ago.
He simply isn’t going to gallop a 100% Kauto into the ground but he could gallop himself into the ground.
If they are to beat him they will have to hold back enough to get up the hill without stopping to a walk this time. If they kick 3 out there’s a chance he could getup the hill better than Kauto but even if he doesn’t he wouldn’t have had hard race like he had 2 seasons ago. They might then say stuff it he can’t beat Kauto we would be as well running in the National……if that makes any sense?
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