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Both GDC & BMG underperformed at Punchestown and Fastorslow took full advantage of that and fair play to him for that but lets not forget that the first time the two met (both on their seasonal debuts) in the John Durkan over 2m4f in December, GDC beat him by 21L.
In order to believe that Fastorslow & by association Corach Rambler (in receipt of 4lbs from Fastorslow when beating him in the Ultima) are both Gold Cup horses, we would have to take the Punchestown result 100% at face value. Granted Fastorslow may very well have improved for the step up to 3m (his form prior to Cheltenham was nothing special) but by beating GDC 2L, that is a turn around of 23L!
We all know Punchestown comes at the end of the season (where a lot of horses are running as an afterthought to Cheltenham…..i.e. the horse seems in good form in the lead up so lets run) and Punchestown is well known for having shock results as even the likes of Kauto Star, Denman, Imperial Commander, Long Run, Al Boum Photo and Cue Card were all beaten in the corresponding race down the years.
We all saw how last year’s National winner Noble Yeats was hopelessly outpaced in this year’s Gold Cup before picking off a few of those (that paid the price for trying to win the race) to get 4th some 15L behind GDC.
Until proven otherwise, I am going to view the Punchestown race as a one off with the main principles not having run to their true form.
LD how did they underperform ? , they are miles clear of the other 2 Inc the Ryanair winner , impossible to say they underperformed until we see them again
I think GDC will probably win the 2024 Gold Cup. But I see little appeal in tying up money at 2/1 for the best part of a year and his defeat last time adds too much doubt.
HDLG – the result of the Gold Cup (which they were both trained to the minute for) tells you that they underperformed here and Envoi Allen pulled too hard early on (which he also did in the Ryanair) but the difference here was that he had another half mile to go and simply didn’t have the stamina reserve to get home.
We will see if there is any long term knock on effecs on GDC & BMG when the reappear next season, which to me would be the only reason as to why Fastorslow would be able to confirm the Punchestown form.
I took a look at this this evening and for me it’s a bit of a stretch to believe that absolutely everything behind Fastorslow at Punchestown ran below par.
Then throw in the fact he’s only a 7yo and still relatively unexposed and it has to be of interest to me that, at 20/1 in a place, Fastorslow is ten times the price of Galopin Des Champs.
PS: The pedant in me says the title of this thread should be Cheltenham Gold Cup 2024.
The Gold Cup is the one that has the longest history and that, by some margin, is the Flat race at Royal Ascot.
I’ll fetch me pedantic coat.
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When the thread was created it was in the section entitled Cheltenham.
Cheltenham Cheltenham Gold Cup 2024 has a good sound to itBlackbeard to conquer the World
Fair enough, Nathan – not that you have to justify yourself to me or anyone else – the double C has a definite ring to it!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Agree ID. Galopin Des Champs ought to win if he can replicate last season’s performance. But there has to be a doubt.
Looking at the next in the market: Gerri Colombe is unproven outside of novice company, Bravemansgame does not look like a Gold Cup horse and Shishkin did not exactly jump well at Cheltenham in the Ryanair.
Fastorslow is overpriced at 20/1 and I have taken it. I am also tempted by The Real Whacker. He runs well at Cheltenham and I think he would be shorter if trained by a bigger name trainer.
Is The Real Whacker the new ” Native River” I do worry he may not quite get the GC distance but his jumping will get a lot of horses in trouble , if your backing Fastorslow the you have to look at the national winner …. As always I’ll be taking the GC winner on , the state don’t lie
Only once in the last 10 runnings has the Gold Cup winner followed up at Punchestown. So GDC not following up isn’t that a big deal really.
I know some think I cling to what they consider obsolete stats from the past, but the Cheltenham Gold Cup is still run at the same track over the same course and distance and for every multiple Cheltenham Gold Cup winner there are still more who are never quite the same again afterwards.
It’s an attritional contest and arguably more than ever nowadays as they go a stronger end-to-end pace in the modern era.
Superb performance from Galopin Des Champs at Cheltenham in March, but he wouldn’t be the first – or the last – chaser to be bottomed career wise by it.
2/1 seems plenty short enough to me.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Coneygree …. and look what happened there , the stats tell you the GC breaks horses
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