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  • #1444922
    greenasgrass
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    I suppose that makes sense as I expect he will be started late next year with an Al Boum Photo-esque preparation; can’t see him going for the JNwine or John Durkan for example. So his price should hold for you while everything else wins G1s on either side of the water and shortens- and in the meantime if he gets broken in the field or early season training you have saved the money.
    I’m going to let my bet stand as it’s not for much money.

    #1444975
    MarkTTMarkTT
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    Kemboy – likeliest winner; seemed to realise how easy it was in the latter half of the season and I think he’ll go unbeaten next time.

    Santini – I need to see a convincing Grade 1 victory before I could consider him for this; obviously talented but yet to prove himself mentally

    Topofthegame – might be good enough for the King George but I can’t see him beating the best of the Irish in the Spring.

    Al Boum Photo – might win again and stamina is his strongpoint but still error prone.

    Delta Work – I think Topofthegame beat him fair and square at Cheltenham and I think DW might be better on more conventional galloping tracks as a chaser

    #1444981
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Lostintranslation by far the best value to my eye at 16/1. His form with Defi Du Seuil, especially at the shorter trip, marks him as a top class animal, who showed his true colours in his first run beyond 3 miles when travelling all over Topofthegame (they’re the same age) to win easily at Aintree. He has huge scope at staying trips and much toughness from experience, something a few rivals lack for now.

    Barring accidents and illness (or a campaign balls up by Tizz, which is always possible) I’m pretty confident he’ll start favourite.

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    #1444987
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Agree Joe, not necessarily on your prediction on him being the market principle, but that he will take all the beating! JLT run was massive + i think they could’ve used even more of him that day and perhaps have taken DDS out of his comfort zone more. Either way, he should be Tizzard’s next star!

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    #1445009
    MarkTTMarkTT
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    Topofthegame was given a mediocre ride at Aintree and had to recover from a greater test for a novice at Cheltenham ( longer trip on softer ground in a tougher race )

    This is just a hunch but I think Lostintranslation might have an indifferent second season.

    #1445011
    Mike007
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    Kemboy has an engine but if he can’t jump the Cheltenham fences then he wont be winning this. Still has it to prove round there.

    I’m on all 3 of Topopfthegame, Santini, and Lostintranslation at bigger prices at this stage. Topofthegame is better than his Aintree run and Lostintranslation was good on the day so its a wait and see with them 2. Not seen the best of Santini yet I don’t think.

    Al Boum Photo cant be ruled out apart from the stat of trying to win it back to back.

    Delta Work I can’t see turning round the RSA form unless the rumour about a bug in the yard talked about by some on here was true. May be just a rumour though.

    #1445025
    MarkTTMarkTT
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    You can’t blame the mishap this year on Kemboy

    #1445035
    FinalFurlong91
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    The topofthegame at aintree wasnt the same horse we saw at Cheltenham

    Not even close

    #1445038
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Regardless of TOTG maybe being below par at Aintree, Lostintranslation was very good + had already shown a very high level of form over shorter. His hurdle form had already indicated he’d improve for the step up in trip.

    I wouldn’t even be certain TOTG will turn out the best of the RSA. He was given a lovely ride, whilst Delta Work hit the front too soon + Santini probably wasn’t 100%

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    #1445059
    MarkTTMarkTT
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    I’ll watch that Aintree performance again, as I’ve only seen it once.

    It’ll be interesting to see his first assignment this season

    #1445062
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Aye, fair comment on Topofthegame at Aintree. He looked to be feeling his festival effort. The big question, I think, will be how much Lostintranslation improved for the significant step up in trip. He was on the bridle throughout at Aintree bar a slap down the neck after the second last and I think he appreciated not being hassled along at 20f pace against a top notch speedster like Defi Du Seuil (bound for the Queen Mother Champion Chase next year, I hope).

    The one wee doubt I have about Lostintranslation picking up a Gold Cup is his jumping. He’s not the most confident fencer and tends to be cautious when not meeting them right. An admirable asset in most chases but caution can prove costly in a Gold Cup. Still, at 16s, a total no-brainer for me.

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    #1445066
    FinalFurlong91
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    Question really with not much between santini, delta work, topofthegame and lostintranslation are they all very good which seems unlikely, or are they all average

    And wont be good enough against the likes of kemboy and maybe even presenting percy shouldn’t be forgotten if he is given a proper prep this time

    Will certainly be a very interesting season with the 3 mile chasers

    #1472473
    BigGBigG
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    There are a few that there are very good reasons to make a case for at this early stage,
    Lostintranslation for sure and it is such a shame that Topofthegame is out for the season.
    I’ll be keeping an eye, but I’m in no hurry to grab the 10s for Lostintranslation although
    I’ll be watching for him turning blue on Oddschecker. At this stage, the one that I think is
    well over priced is Bristol De Mai at 50/1 with Paddy Power. I was sitting in the Guiness
    stand last year right in line with the 2nd last, and I really thought he looked to me the likely
    winner at that point. He tired after the last, but even so he finished only 6L behind a very
    decent looking Al Boum Photo. NTD thinks he could improve again this season, and although
    Nigel is always bullish about his horses I think there could be more to come from him. He looks
    like possibly heading to the Charlie Hall, with the Betfair Chase being the main target at this
    point in the year. If he does well in either of those the 50/1 will be a distant memory.

    #1473716
    He Didnt Like Ground
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    Watching that I’d say Delta work is a bit off winning a GC , even given he,ll come in for the run his jumping isn’t good enough

    #1473862
    Illavim
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    Wow, what a superb jumping performance by Lostintranslation at Carlisle, we’ll done anyone who’s on him at big prices!

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